Playcalling Experts

[Smidgeon]

Re: Playcalling Experts

I've been hearing a lot of complaining about the playcalling around here lately. As such, I'm curious about who really knows anything about playcalling.

List your playcalling experience here. If you've coached in the NFL or with a successful college program, been a coordinator in the NFL or with a successful college program, or befriended someone who was successful at playcalling and learned at the feet of this person, please put it here so I will believe what you say.

Otherwise, I'll know that when you complain about play-calling, I'll just assume you have no idea what you're talking about and are complaining about results (i.e. execution of a play) instead of the play itself.

Thank you.

Next time you make any point about anything in general please list your expertise in said area otherwise I will know you have no idea what you are talking about and are complaining about results.

As a matter of fact, since you are NOT an expert on playcalling you have no grounds to question anyone elses stance or opinion as it could just as likely be correct as incorrect....you should simply remain silent unless you in fact are an expert.

Ok, that being said, I think calling 13 running plays in a tight game where you have run successfully is bad playcalling....but hey, what do I know.

Apparantly nothing because I haven't said anything about what I think of the playcalling one way or the other. Just that there seem to be a lot of unqualified people making absolute statements. People aren't making "It's my opinion that..." statements; they're making "It's a fact that..." statements without room for discussion.

As for my expertise on that opinion, I read the dictionary and know what the difference between "opinion" and "fact" is.

[mraynrand]

It's my opinion that this thread blows

[MadtownPacker]

If I've never been a porn star am I still allowed to have sex?

Hahaha, best one yet man!

[woodbuck27]

lol what a bad thread. What the hell is the point of a forum then? You don't have to be an "expert" to give your opinion. There are many not so smart people who have great jobs and many intelligent people who don’t even have a job.

Btw, I’m the head coach for Texas Tech.

How are you fellas doin this season?

[MadtownPacker]

Re: Playcalling Experts

Apparantly nothing because I haven't said anything about what I think of the playcalling one way or the other. Just that there seem to be a lot of unqualified people making absolute statements. People aren't making "It's my opinion that..." statements; they're making "It's a fact that..." statements without room for discussion.

As for my expertise on that opinion, I read the dictionary and know what the difference between "opinion" and "fact" is.

I think Bobble is being a smartazz but I agree, what are your qualification? Just curious since you brought it up. I usually dont call peeps out on a subject unless I got some ammo but really I aint got shit just my opinion.

[MadtownPacker]

It's my opinion that this thread blows

I defer to you on this topic as you are an expert on blowing.

[Smidgeon]

Re: Playcalling Experts

Apparantly nothing because I haven't said anything about what I think of the playcalling one way or the other. Just that there seem to be a lot of unqualified people making absolute statements. People aren't making "It's my opinion that..." statements; they're making "It's a fact that..." statements without room for discussion.

As for my expertise on that opinion, I read the dictionary and know what the difference between "opinion" and "fact" is.

I think Bobble is being a smartazz but I agree, what are your qualification? Just curious since you brought it up. I usually dont call peeps out on a subject unless I got some ammo but really I aint got shit just my opinion.

I don't have any expertise on playcalling. And I don't think anyone else does either. And that's my point.

I think it's all opinion, and like I've heard it said in a myriad of places: if a play works, it must've been a good play call. If a play didn't work, it either came down to poor execution or a poor play call. How do we know it's a poor play call when the team is suffering from a bad case of the drops, lost a reliable RB for the season, are still in the Top 10 in scoring, still have a QB with a rating over 90 despite getting clobbered by an inconsistent O-line, have a rushing attack with a per attempt gain in the Top 10, a TE that was gashing opponents before getting injured, etc, etc.

I don't think that anyone--unless they really have studied this stuff--can say if something was bad play calling versus poor execution. I'd simply like to hear more reasoning as to why something's bad playcalling. I'd love to learn more about what makes good playcalling. And to me, saying "it just is" or "I've never liked it" doesn't make me any more inclined to believe that statement. That's a logical fallacy called "petitio principii", or more commonly known as "begging the question".

[MadtownPacker]

Re: Playcalling Experts

I don't have any expertise on playcalling. And I don't think anyone else does either. And that's my point.

I would disagree. I am aware off several posters here who played college ball so I think that is considered expertise.

Your point is that a bunch of clueless dipshits are discussing football here? I could have told you that the day you signed up.

[mraynrand]

It's my opinion that this thread blows

I defer to you on this topic as you are an expert on blowing.

You defer? Figures: that's what pussies do

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=14117&start=7180

[Fritz]

I am a former NFL head coach masquerading as a fan.

[Little Whiskey]

Re: Playcalling Experts

People aren't making "It's my opinion that..." statements;

this just goes without saying. similarly i don't post, "I have a beer in my hand while i type this" because it goes without saying. just like Mad doesn't post "that some white guy is going to kick his ass if he finds out he's playing on the computer instead of cutting the grass." it just goes without saying. a known. absolutes that we all know to be fact. whenever someone posts anything always assume its their opinion.

[MadtownPacker]

It's my opinion that this thread blows

I defer to you on this topic as you are an expert on blowing.

You defer? Figures: that's what pussies do

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/vi...117&start=7180

Shit, got me there cuz that guy is right. Trust me, it's a fact.

[Smidgeon]

Re: Playcalling Experts

I don't have any expertise on playcalling. And I don't think anyone else does either. And that's my point.

I would disagree. I am aware off several posters here who played college ball so I think that is considered expertise.

Your point is that a bunch of clueless dipshits are discussing football here? I could have told you that the day you signed up.

I definitely agree that it's a level of expertise, and I think it's pretty easy to tell who knows what they're talking about (or at the very least, who presents a compelling argument). I try to learn as much as I can from them but just get frustrated when there's a lot of narrow-minded opinions being stated as fact.

[channtheman]

Re: Playcalling Experts

People aren't making "It's my opinion that..." statements;

this just goes without saying. similarly i don't post, "I have a beer in my hand while i type this" because it goes without saying. just like Mad doesn't post "that some white guy is going to kick his ass if he finds out he's playing on the computer instead of cutting the grass." it just goes without saying. a known. absolutes that we all know to be fact. whenever someone posts anything always assume its their opinion.

This.

Equally I hate when someone responds to your post (on any forum) and simply says "In your opinion." Uhhh, no shit sherlock, you think I was claiming that it was YOUR opinion?

[channtheman]

Re: Playcalling Experts

I don't have any expertise on playcalling. And I don't think anyone else does either. And that's my point.

I would disagree. I am aware off several posters here who played college ball so I think that is considered expertise.

Your point is that a bunch of clueless dipshits are discussing football here? I could have told you that the day you signed up.

I definitely agree that it's a level of expertise, and I think it's pretty easy to tell who knows what they're talking about (or at the very least, who presents a compelling argument). I try to learn as much as I can from them but just get frustrated when there's a lot of narrow-minded opinions being stated as fact.

I'm not sure I've read the posts you are talking about that are presenting something as fact. If someone says "MM is an idiot and his playcalling sucks," I think it's pretty clear that that is just his opinion, and he is not stating it as fact.