All-around crappy football

[Joemailman]

Grant. Enough said.

Our offense has completely changed without him on the field. I think we all underestimated his value to our offensive scheme.

Absolutely. I was talking to my dad on the phone last night and we both agreed that we had underestimated the impact that losing Grant would have on this team. I would have never imagined this team would not be able to do anything on offense without Grant, but he was a 1200 yard rusher (which was good for number 2 leader in yards since he started behind only AP, right?)

Brandon Jackson is averaging 4.6 YPC. He's be on pace for a 1200 yard season if he were averaging 17 carries a game. MM's abandonment of a reasonably efficient running game is more of a problem than the loss of Grant.

[channtheman]

Grant. Enough said.

Our offense has completely changed without him on the field. I think we all underestimated his value to our offensive scheme.

Absolutely. I was talking to my dad on the phone last night and we both agreed that we had underestimated the impact that losing Grant would have on this team. I would have never imagined this team would not be able to do anything on offense without Grant, but he was a 1200 yard rusher (which was good for number 2 leader in yards since he started behind only AP, right?)

Brandon Jackson is averaging 4.6 YPC. He's be on pace for a 1200 yard season if he were averaging 17 carries a game. MM's abandonment of a reasonably efficient running game is more of a problem than the loss of Grant.

I think someone said it in this thread, but it appears the loss of Grant has made MM go pass crazy. You are right, Jackson could probably be competent in the run game but MM doesn't give him enough chances. I really wish MM would get an offensive coordinator because he sucks at play calling.

[Joemailman]

This is the problem of going into the season with 2 RB's and 3 FB's. Once Grant went down, Jackson became the starting RB and the 3rd down back. MM I think is limiting his carries to avoid overworking him. Probably should have kept Kregg Lumpkin.

[Tarlam!]

This is the problem of going into the season with 2 RB's and 3 FB's. Once Grant went down, Jackson became the starting RB and the 3rd down back. MM I think is limiting his carries to avoid overworking him. Probably should have kept Kregg Lumpkin.

True, Joe, but how many teams go with 4 TEs and 2 QBs? How many teams have 2 FBs? Some don't even have one, IIRC.

TT's ways are a mystery to me, but I can't fault the depth he's collected at most position. I know, I know, "the OL".

[woodbuck27]

Re: All-around crappy football

No, not just the Packers. So far the games I have watched this year come down to who plays the least poorly, not who plays the best. There have been a lot of close games, mostly because both teams are playing poorly.

Just seems to be a lot of mediocre football being played this year. The only excitement has been from close scores, not from seeing good football. One team doesn't win it, the other one loses it; if you know what I mean.

Particularly in the NFC North. Has any team really played well yet in any game?

Bears over the Panthers and Vikings over the Lions.

Yet I certainly agree with you overall as It's been thus far in the NFL as a whole. Ohh, the Saints dominated 'the Buc's this week and the Tamps Bay Bucaneer's are one of the surprise teams in the NFL to date along with 'the Chiefs' who looked for real yesterday until they blew it in Houston ... an up and down team.

This is a very strange season to date. It's wide open right now, The cream will come to the top. Pittsburg looks really good and the Jets arn't going away. In the NFC...The Saints will be there.as will the Falcons and Philly is getting better.

GP PACKERS! Must win Vs Minny this week or it's possibly a 'see yaa' next season (maybe again). Still time to recover but MM has to get it going fast.

[pbmax]

The team we almost beat last week at FedEx field was 2 inches from beating the big bad IND Colts last night. Maybe WASH isn't as bad as we all think.

I didn't see the game, but I picked them to win, actually. And thee Packers hard fought win over Detroit shouldn't be underestimated, nor the win in Philly. The losses were all winnable heartbreakers. If the Packers get a call or two go their way, the result might be different. Maybe.

One thing is for sure; I don't want the Packers to win the SB next September again.

Philly smoked the new NFC darling Falcons yesterday. With Kolb at the helm.

If they're going to get bit by the injury bug, this year seems like a good one for it. With some bodies back in the next few weeks, they're certainly not out of it yet.

Philly is just a well-run organization and Andy Reid can coach the hell out of a team. But he hasn't won the prize yet either. Lotta luck plays into the Lombardi Trophy

Philly fans would disagree with you on Reid, but the grass always looks greener somewhere else. Reid has notched a ton of wins.

[pbmax]

Sulky injury card?

Look at our fuckin team. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that injuries are clearly holding this team back is more blind then any TT or MM apologist.

Were they playing well before Mathews, Barnett, Burnett, Tauscher, Finley, Picket and Neal got hurt? Not really.

This team was being "held back" even before the injuries hit it in the last two weeks.

weren't we 3-1 with one game the refs took away from us while being "held back"??

While you and I might disagree on the cause, McCarthy clearly has not yet figured out how to ignite the offense. Even when Finley was available, they were leaving points on the table. Capers seems to be getting about the most that could be expected out of his 2nd team D, but M3 has a way to go.

definately not debating that, but I think the players are more to blame (even with the lack of running calls). JJ fumbling in crunch time against chicago, false starts, holding calls, dropped passes.

I'm not disagreeing with you, and even penalties falls on MM a bit. We definately need to capitalize on offense to have a chance at the playoffs.

PLAYOFFS, PLAYOFFS....

Agree with the player mistakes. There would be joy in Packerland if penalties alone got cleaned up with turnovers.

I think M3has clearly failed in Special Teams.

[Bossman641]

Re: All-around crappy football

No, not just the Packers. So far the games I have watched this year come down to who plays the least poorly, not who plays the best. There have been a lot of close games, mostly because both teams are playing poorly.

Just seems to be a lot of mediocre football being played this year. The only excitement has been from close scores, not from seeing good football. One team doesn't win it, the other one loses it; if you know what I mean.

Particularly in the NFC North. Has any team really played well yet in any game?

Bears over the Panthers and Vikings over the Lions.

Yet I certainly agree with you overall as It's been thus far in the NFL as a whole. Ohh, the Saints dominated 'the Buc's this week and the Tamps Bay Bucaneer's are one of the surprise teams in the NFL to date along with 'the Chiefs' who looked for real yesterday until they blew it in Houston ... an up and down team.

This is a very strange season to date. It's wide open right now, The cream will come to the top. Pittsburg looks really good and the Jets arn't going away. In the NFC...The Saints will be there.as will the Falcons and Philly is getting better.

GP PACKERS! Must win Vs Minny this week or it's possibly a 'see yaa' next season (maybe again). Still time to recover but MM has to get it going fast.

Bears over the Panthers???

The same Bears that had 32 yards passing and 4 INT?? I watched that game. The Bears did not play well at all. The Panthers are just awful.

[Mazzin]

I'm not surprised Nance isn't playing yet, given that he was not here during training camp. In 2007, MM didn't go with Grant until about halfway through the season. What still mystifies me is that MM doesn't give Jackson the chances Grant would get. The Packers are 7th in the NFL in YPC, but 29th in rushing attempts per game. Jackson is 22nd in the league in rushing yards, but only 7 of the guys ahead of him have a better YPC than his 4.6.

Now I certainly could be wrong....Ppatller could probably help, but have we had many plays in the second