WR Coach disses JJ - Says to Cheat

[Tarlam!]

Robinson must be pissed if he publicly disses JJ:

Jones just watched as cornerback Jason Allen cut in front of him and picked off the ball. If Jones had made any kind of attempt to pull Allen down or get his hands on the ball, he would have prevented an interception.

"You have to break that up," Robinson said. "If you have to do something illegal and get a penalty, do that. Anything's preferable to an interception."

On the positive, I think it's great that JJ is being made accountable.

Maybe I'm too old fashioned or just a pussy, but I'm not thrilled when coaches teach their charges to cheat. I know it's a tactical foul, happens in soccer all the time. What do other posters think?

Another question: Could the NFL take any action on those comments?

[Fred's Slacks]

Re: WR Coach disses JJ - Says to Cheat

Robinson must be pissed if he publicly disses JJ:

Jones just watched as cornerback Jason Allen cut in front of him and picked off the ball. If Jones had made any kind of attempt to pull Allen down or get his hands on the ball, he would have prevented an interception.

"You have to break that up," Robinson said. "If you have to do something illegal and get a penalty, do that. Anything's preferable to an interception."

On the positive, I think it's great that JJ is being made accountable.

Maybe I'm too old fashioned or just a pussy, but I'm not thrilled when coaches teach their charges to cheat. I know it's a tactical foul, happens in soccer all the time. What do other posters think?

Another question: Could the NFL take any action on those comments?

I guess I wouldn't call intentionally committing a penalty, with full intent of getting caught, cheating. If the penalty is better then the alternative, players should be taught to commit the penalty. Not cheating, just smart football IMHO.

[Joemailman]

You do what you have to do to prevent the interception (short of intentionally injuring someone). It's up to the ref to decide if what you did deserves a penalty.

[MJZiggy]

He's saying that JJ needs to fight for the ball even if it costs a penalty (offensive PI). He's saying that JJ's not being aggressive enough in that situation. Maybe he breaks it up without the penalty, but it's worth the risk is how I read that statement. If he were advocating breaking the defender's ribs while he's going after the ball, I'd have another opinion about it, but this to me seems like risk assessment. Better to risk penalty than give up the pick.

[Fritz]

Same as a defender who's about to get burned long dragging the receiver down.

BTW, I used to like James Jones, but this season has been his big opportunity to step up, but instead he's going all Robert Ferguson on us.

[Brandon494]

Umm that's not cheating, that's common sense. Any coach at any level would tell their player the samething.

[3irty1]

"cheating" and "doing something illegal" to prevent a turnover are a little different imo. What constitutes a penalty in the NFL is an awfully fluid concept as the rules are revisited every year. Is tackling a defender before they would make an interception an unfair advantage? I'd say no. Getting a penalty does not make you a cheater or if it does we are the biggest pack of cheaters in the NFL and JJ needs to assimilate the team identity and philosophies.

[mraynrand]

It's not cheating. Trust me.


It's interesting to hear the reaction of the coach. I thought Jones was pushed on the play (should have been PI), however it was a minor push. Had Jones fought back for the ball, PI would have had to be called. Jones was totally lame. Similarly, on a deep middle route by God's Gift, the ball was thrown inside. Had GG moved strongly to the ball, he would have drawn a PI. Coaches need to be teaching this, at least as much as they need to be teaching Francois where to line up on a punt.

[pbmax]

You have got to bail your QB out on that one. Its one way to earn his trust to throw to tight quarters. I would be concerned if McCarthy of Thompson made this trait more important than others in acquiring or promoting players, but his position coach definitely needs to encourage it.

[sharpe1027]

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I don't think it means much.

Teams intentionally take a delay of game penalty, is that cheating too?

Linemen hold when they are beat, DBs and LBers grab when they are beat, QBs get called for intentional grounding, ect...

Oh, coaches also tell their special teams players to illegally lineup on punts.

[Tarlam!]

As I posted, I am familiar with the concept and in soccer it has a term "professional foul", so what your all suggesting is similar.

It had become so prolific that the rules in soccer were changed, but it still occurs. The suggestion is, if you can't get a desired result by playing within the rules, play without them, the desired result usually being to stop an opponents gaining a strategic advantage.

In soccer, it's an automatic red card (tossed from the game) if the PF is committed by the last defender. Because it's cheating.

I'd be outraged if someone committed a foul on Collins or Chuck in such a fashion, but hey, that's me.

[ND72]

Re: WR Coach disses JJ - Says to Cheat

Robinson must be pissed if he publicly disses JJ:

Jones just watched as cornerback Jason Allen cut in front of him and picked off the ball. If Jones had made any kind of attempt to pull Allen down or get his hands on the ball, he would have prevented an interception.

"You have to break that up," Robinson said. "If you have to do something illegal and get a penalty, do that. Anything's preferable to an interception."

On the positive, I think it's great that JJ is being made accountable.

Maybe I'm too old fashioned or just a pussy, but I'm not thrilled when coaches teach their charges to cheat. I know it's a tactical foul, happens in soccer all the time. What do other posters think?

Another question: Could the NFL take any action on those comments?

I don't think it's wrong teaching your players to "cheat" or get a penalty if it's for the good of the team. If you grab the DB instead of allowing him to intercept the ball, yes you are putting the offense back 10 yards, but I'd rather have that then give them the ball.

And no...the NFL can't take any action on that, comments like that are made every week. However, I got an unsportsman like penalty called against me last football season when I told our Linebackers to tackle the other teams 250 pound fullback at the knees....I was PISSED the rest of the night at those refs.

[Tarlam!]

Re: WR Coach disses JJ - Says to Cheat

However, I got an unsportsman like penalty called against me last football season when I told our Linebackers to tackle the other teams 250 pound fullback at the knees....I was PISSED the rest of the night at those refs.

Is that legal?

In Rugby, we go for ankles in an arm tackle and thighsto upper chest for a shoulder charge. Neck up is a no-no.

[sharpe1027]

Intentional fouls often backfire. In football, there is seldom enough time to think through the consequences. If you go around trying to tackle players when they might catch a ball, you're bound to get penalties where the player would not have caught the ball anyway.

The thing with JJ is that he could have made an effort for the ball, without intentionally committing a penalty. Maybe it would have ended up being a penalty, but then again it might not have. Aggressive play when you know you might get a penalty is often better than just giving up because you might get a penalty. I think that is the point.

[Tarlam!]

The thing with JJ is that he could have made an effort for the ball, without intentionally committing a penalty. Maybe it would have ended up being a penalty, but then again it might not have. Aggressive play when you know you might get a penalty is often better than just giving up because you might get a penalty. I think that is the point.

I don't call going for the ball and committing a foul cheating and I have zero problem with Robinson chewing him out for not doing so.