How's Marshawn Lynch Doing...?

[Fritz]

I have noticed in the past week or so, on NFL pre-game shows, on the internet, in the GB media, that it is now accepted wisdom that Thompson should have shoveled out the third rounder for Marshawn Lynch because then, at least, the Packers would have a proven running back.

This has become the conventional wisdom, so I decided to check and see how ol' Marshawn-the-proven-NFL-running-back was doing for his new team. I didn't pay much attention to his stats with the Bills, having read many times that those stats really don't "count" since the Bills' o-line and heck, the whole team, is so bad.

So for the Seahogs - a team with a better record than the Packers - ol' Marshawn carried the ball 17 times against da Bears - for 44 yards and a 2.6 yards per carry average.

Compare that to the two-headed kitten that pretends to be the Packers' running attack. Against the same opponent, those Bears, JackKuhn carried the ball 13 times for 43 yards, for a 3.3 yards per carry average.

So what is the evidence that suggests Thompson whiffed so badly by not taking Lynch? What has he brought to Seattle? 2.6 yards per carry?

[ThunderDan]

Re: How's Marshawn Lynch Doing...?

I have noticed in the past week or so, on NFL pre-game shows, on the internet, in the GB media, that it is now accepted wisdom that Thompson should have shoveled out the third rounder for Marshawn Lynch because then, at least, the Packers would have a proven running back.

This has become the conventional wisdom, so I decided to check and see how ol' Marshawn-the-proven-NFL-running-back was doing for his new team. I didn't pay much attention to his stats with the Bills, having read many times that those stats really don't "count" since the Bills' o-line and heck, the whole team, is so bad.

So for the Seahogs - a team with a better record than the Packers - ol' Marshawn carried the ball 17 times against da Bears - for 44 yards and a 2.6 yards per carry average.

Compare that to the two-headed kitten that pretends to be the Packers' running attack. Against the same opponent, those Bears, JackKuhn carried the ball 13 times for 43 yards, for a 3.3 yards per carry average.

So what is the evidence that suggests Thompson whiffed so badly by not taking Lynch? What has he brought to Seattle? 2.6 yards per carry?

Obviously our O-Line must be better than the Seahags so your stats don't mean anything!

[Kiwon]

Re: How's Marshawn Lynch Doing...?

Compare that to the two-headed kitten that pretends to be the Packers' running attack.

[Tarlam!]

At the time the trade went down, conventional wisdom had the Packers as a playoff contender at least and the Seahawks as an also ran, so a Seattle 3rd felt more like a 2nd and a Green Bay 3rd felt more like a 4th.

Do the math.

[Fritz]

I'm awful at math, Tar. What are you saying?

[Tarlam!]

I'm awful at math, Tar. What are you saying?

You're right. He was traded for a conditional 4th, which will turn into a 3rd if he plays well. I thought he went for a 3rd.

My apolgies for being unreliable!

[Guiness]

I'm awful at math, Tar. What are you saying?

I think what Tar's saying is that the price might've been different for the Pack vs the Hawks because of their expected draft status. 32nd pick of the 3rd round is pretty much a 4th round pick, top 5 pick of the 3rd round might as well be a 2nd rounder. So the Bills might've been asking us for a 2nd instead of a 3rd.

edit: I see it was a 4th, which could become a 3rd. Same logic applies, of course.

Of course, if I'm putting words in Tar's mouth, he's welcome to tell me to go back to drinking and lurking!

[ThunderDan]

I'm awful at math, Tar. What are you saying?

I think what Tar's saying is that the price might've been different for the Pack vs the Hawks because of their expected draft status. 32nd pick of the 3rd round is pretty much a 4th round pick, top 5 pick of the 3rd round might as well be a 2nd rounder. So the Bills might've been asking us for a 2nd instead of a 3rd.

edit: I see it was a 4th, which could become a 3rd. Same logic applies, of course.

Of course, if I'm putting words in Tar's mouth, he's welcome to tell me to go back to drinking and lurking!

I think Fritz was trying to get that ML is no better (so far) than Kuhnnnn and BJack. So no trade is saving us the 3rd or 4th round pick it would have cost us with no increase in production.

[ND72]

Brandon Jackson 67 305 4.6 71 1
John Kuhn 34 142 4.2 18 1
Aaron Rodgers 23 113 4.9 17 3

So here is what I see being wrong...we are averaging 4.57 per carry...um, YES...thank you! Why aren't we running more? Here's the other thing....Rodgers leads all runners with 3 TD...come on man!

Adrian Peterson 112 553 4.9 80 4

With Jackson and Kuhn, we have 101 carries, 447 yards, 4.4 per carry. Really not a lot worse than the supposed best runner in the game, I personally would like us to just use it more. I really think Jackson and Kuhn can do it. PLUS, I've always liked Jackson, and during the Chicago game I really though, ya know, maybe he just won't do it...but then against Washington and Miami, he's running more confident, harder, and finding the cuts...USE the kid!

[Fritz]

I just get tired of analysts who analize.

[packerbacker1234]

Well, using the bears game for a comparison is sort of meh. The bears have arguably one of the best defenses in the nfl right now. They are winning games with QB's who are ending it with an under 10 rating. Just saying, that defense is stellar.

Lets see what he does against the more average teams before we start saying he wasn't worth it.

[Noodle]

I'm with ND. We have a combo of backs who really can get it done. Why we don't run more is an absolute mystery to me.

Like everyone here, I also don't understand why we don't try to run traditional or middle screens more with Jackson. The guy is pretty good in space.

In my day, which was many moons ago, the screen package was the best remedy to teams that were teeing off on rushing the passer. Has the NFL changed that much, or are we not taking advantage of a golden opportunity?

[Tarlam!]

In my day, which was many moons ago,

Did any of you realise that a day on the moon equals a year on the moon? I learned that piece of trivia only this morning by watching a re-run of West Wing.

Now, back on topic. Mortenson reported it was a conditional 4th, ML's Wiki page says it was a 2011 4th and a conditional 2012 pick. Since I don't really know the details, I can't say(offer an IMHO) if TT did a prudent job or not.

[Bretsky]

Re: How's Marshawn Lynch Doing...?

I have noticed in the past week or so, on NFL pre-game shows, on the internet, in the GB media, that it is now accepted wisdom that Thompson should have shoveled out the third rounder for Marshawn Lynch because then, at least, the Packers would have a proven running back.

This has become the conventional wisdom, so I decided to check and see how ol' Marshawn-the-proven-NFL-running-back was doing for his new team. I didn't pay much attention to his stats with the Bills, having read many times that those stats really don't "count" since the Bills' o-line and heck, the whole team, is so bad.

So for the Seahogs - a team with a better record than the Packers - ol' Marshawn carried the ball 17 times against da Bears - for 44 yards and a 2.6 yards per carry average.

Compare that to the two-headed kitten that pretends to be the Packers' running attack. Against the same opponent, those Bears, JackKuhn carried the ball 13 times for 43 yards, for a 3.3 yards per carry average.

So what is the evidence that suggests Thompson whiffed so badly by not taking Lynch? What has he brought to Seattle? 2.6 yards per carry?

Marshawn Lynch is a better RB than Brandon Jackson; I'm not dwelling on the stats. He'd have helped and may have been a long term stellar one two punch with Grant.

I'm fine if TT can't cough up a high draft pick for a veteran; the dude could get a suspension with another strike and that's why you get a first round talent for a round 3 or 4 pick.

I was also pleaseantly surprised by the Seattle's GM who stated when in GB they nearly traded for Stehen Jackson for high picks.

Now as for standing still. We've had some situations where we've needed to punch the ball in from near the goal line. How did standing still at RB work for us there ? That is where Lynch would have helped.

Our real mistake may have been TT dragging his feet (if he did) on Ryan Torrain

[Tarlam!]

Re: How's Marshawn Lynch Doing...?

Our real mistake may have been TT dragging his feet (if he did) on Ryan Torrain

I believe both Nance and Torrain were on the 'skins' PS and TT picked Nance of the two. That wouldn't be feet dragging, that would be poor scouting if Nance is a JAG.