How's Marshawn Lynch Doing...?

[Bretsky]

Re: How's Marshawn Lynch Doing...?

Our real mistake may have been TT dragging his feet (if he did) on Ryan Torrain

I believe both Nance and Torrain were on the 'skins' PS and TT picked Nance of the two. That wouldn't be feet dragging, that would be poor scouting if Nance is a JAG.

I think you are right
I think Nance is a JAG

But it would not surprise me if TT tried to get the guy and he instead decided to stay with Washington instead. He knew Shannahan and maybe he thought Washington was a more attractive situation for him to stay in.

Of course, then we can blame GB for not closing another sale
Or maybe we just selected the wrong guy

[Bossman641]

I watched the Bears game, and Lynch looked better than his stats suggest. There were a few times where Urlacher had him all but wrapped up for a 3-4 yard loss and he broke the tackle and turned it into a 1 yard gain. He looked good but no worldbeater.

[Fritz]

Well, using the bears game for a comparison is sort of meh. The bears have arguably one of the best defenses in the nfl right now. They are winning games with QB's who are ending it with an under 10 rating. Just saying, that defense is stellar.

Lets see what he does against the more average teams before we start saying he wasn't worth it.

Part of the point of using the Bears game as a basis of comparison is that I also gave the numbers of the Green Bay runners against that same defense...


I don't see Lynch/Grant as a "one-two" punch next year, had TT made the deal. That's not MM's style. He seems to like to ride one horse if it's a guy he likes (as opposed to cobbling together a running game). So I think next year would've been potentiall problematic if TT had gotten Lynch.

Now, had TT traded for Shane Lechler I'd have been ecstatic. A clear upgrade at a position of need.

[Bretsky]

Well, using the bears game for a comparison is sort of meh. The bears have arguably one of the best defenses in the nfl right now. They are winning games with QB's who are ending it with an under 10 rating. Just saying, that defense is stellar.

Lets see what he does against the more average teams before we start saying he wasn't worth it.

Part of the point of using the Bears game as a basis of comparison is that I also gave the numbers of the Green Bay runners against that same defense...


I don't see Lynch/Grant as a "one-two" punch next year, had TT made the deal. That's not MM's style. He seems to like to ride one horse if it's a guy he likes (as opposed to cobbling together a running game). So I think next year would've been potentiall problematic if TT had gotten Lynch.

Now, had TT traded for Shane Lechler I'd have been ecstatic. A clear upgrade at a position of need.

That also describes Lynch

[mmmdk]

Well, using the bears game for a comparison is sort of meh. The bears have arguably one of the best defenses in the nfl right now. They are winning games with QB's who are ending it with an under 10 rating. Just saying, that defense is stellar.

Lets see what he does against the more average teams before we start saying he wasn't worth it.

Part of the point of using the Bears game as a basis of comparison is that I also gave the numbers of the Green Bay runners against that same defense...


I don't see Lynch/Grant as a "one-two" punch next year, had TT made the deal. That's not MM's style. He seems to like to ride one horse if it's a guy he likes (as opposed to cobbling together a running game). So I think next year would've been potentiall problematic if TT had gotten Lynch.

Now, had TT traded for Shane Lechler I'd have been ecstatic. A clear upgrade at a position of need.

That also describes Lynch

A trade for Shane Lechler would have been amazing but I fear that TT would've felt that he belittled himself as GM with such a move or he just loves his draft picks too much?

Lynch would have an ok move but Lynch can't fix the trouble on Packers offense: McCarthys limitations as OC & HC.

[Bretsky]

Well, using the bears game for a comparison is sort of meh. The bears have arguably one of the best defenses in the nfl right now. They are winning games with QB's who are ending it with an under 10 rating. Just saying, that defense is stellar.

Lets see what he does against the more average teams before we start saying he wasn't worth it.

Part of the point of using the Bears game as a basis of comparison is that I also gave the numbers of the Green Bay runners against that same defense...


I don't see Lynch/Grant as a "one-two" punch next year, had TT made the deal. That's not MM's style. He seems to like to ride one horse if it's a guy he likes (as opposed to cobbling together a running game). So I think next year would've been potentiall problematic if TT had gotten Lynch.

Now, had TT traded for Shane Lechler I'd have been ecstatic. A clear upgrade at a position of need.

That also describes Lynch

A trade for Shane Lechler would have been amazing but I fear that TT would've felt that he belittled himself as GM with such a move or he just loves his draft picks too much?

Lynch would have an ok move but Lynch can't fix the trouble on Packers offense: McCarthys limitations as OC & HC.

Honestly I'm still luke warm with MM as a coach; many of us thought he was brilliant last year when things were working better and now many have jumped off his ship.

I think he's average and I think we're not cutting it because of the players.

The only coach I think is junk is Slocum.

Who knows what Oakland would want for Lechler but I doubt TT would part with anything high for him and da Raiders are probably not taking a sixth round pick. Lynch........I'd be fine trading for him or not but I do think he's way more talented than what we have.

[Fritz]

Okay, the Lynch watch:

25 carries, 89 yards. One really long run, a lot of tiny little short runs. A 3.56 average.

[mmmdk]

Well, using the bears game for a comparison is sort of meh. The bears have arguably one of the best defenses in the nfl right now. They are winning games with QB's who are ending it with an under 10 rating. Just saying, that defense is stellar.

Lets see what he does against the more average teams before we start saying he wasn't worth it.

Part of the point of using the Bears game as a basis of comparison is that I also gave the numbers of the Green Bay runners against that same defense...


I don't see Lynch/Grant as a "one-two" punch next year, had TT made the deal. That's not MM's style. He seems to like to ride one horse if it's a guy he likes (as opposed to cobbling together a running game). So I think next year would've been potentiall problematic if TT had gotten Lynch.

Now, had TT traded for Shane Lechler I'd have been ecstatic. A clear upgrade at a position of need.

That also describes Lynch

A trade for Shane Lechler would have been amazing but I fear that TT would've felt that he belittled himself as GM with such a move or he just loves his draft picks too much?

Lynch would have an ok move but Lynch can't fix the trouble on Packers offense: McCarthys limitations as OC & HC.

Honestly I'm still luke warm with MM as a coach; many of us thought he was brilliant last year when things were working better and now many have jumped off his ship.

I think he's average and I think we're not cutting it because of the players.

The only coach I think is junk is Slocum.

Who knows what Oakland would want for Lechler but I doubt TT would part with anything high for him and da Raiders are probably not taking a sixth round pick. Lynch........I'd be fine trading for him or not but I do think he's way more talented than what we have.

Very well said, B.

[ThunderDan]

Okay, the Lynch watch:

25 carries, 89 yards. One really long run, a lot of tiny little short runs. A 3.56 average.

Jackson and Kuhn 20 rushes, 70 yards 3.5 ypc

[ThunderDan]

Honestly I'm still luke warm with MM as a coach; many of us thought he was brilliant last year when things were working better and now many have jumped off his ship.

I think he's average and I think we're not cutting it because of the players.
The only coach I think is junk is Slocum.

Who knows what Oakland would want for Lechler but I doubt TT would part with anything high for him and da Raiders are probably not taking a sixth round pick. Lynch........I'd be fine trading for him or not but I do think he's way more talented than what we have.

Not sure what you are getting at here. Please explain.

[mmmdk]

Honestly I'm still luke warm with MM as a coach; many of us thought he was brilliant last year when things were working better and now many have jumped off his ship.

I think he's average and I think we're not cutting it because of the players.
The only coach I think is junk is Slocum.

Who knows what Oakland would want for Lechler but I doubt TT would part with anything high for him and da Raiders are probably not taking a sixth round pick. Lynch........I'd be fine trading for him or not but I do think he's way more talented than what we have.

Not sure what you are getting at here. Please explain.

Wow, me too - I missed the "not" about the players. Kinda like an oxymoron, B.

[Bretsky]

Honestly I'm still luke warm with MM as a coach; many of us thought he was brilliant last year when things were working better and now many have jumped off his ship.

I think he's average and I think we're not cutting it because of the players.
The only coach I think is junk is Slocum.

Who knows what Oakland would want for Lechler but I doubt TT would part with anything high for him and da Raiders are probably not taking a sixth round pick. Lynch........I'd be fine trading for him or not but I do think he's way more talented than what we have.

Not sure what you are getting at here. Please explain.

Not a strong statement
Just my way of saying I don't think we're losing due to MM himself; it's due to a lack of talent on the field and he's making due with what he has.

[pbmax]

Okay, the Lynch watch:

25 carries, 89 yards. One really long run, a lot of tiny little short runs. A 3.56 average.

Jackson and Kuhn 20 rushes, 70 yards 3.5 ypc

3.5 X 3 downs = 10.5 yards!

We should never pass!

[pbmax]

I think he's [M3] average and I think we're not cutting it because of the players.

Perhaps he is average as a head coach, I won't debate that here. But he does have a specialty that has won out in every type of season so far; his passing game. And he has done it with less than Lee, Quarless and Tom "Anthony Munoz" Crabtree at TE.

If he unsticks the WR/TE passing game, as I expect he will, then this team will catch fire. Unless 4 more starters go down to injury.

[Packgator]

Okay, the Lynch watch:

25 carries, 89 yards. One really long run, a lot of tiny little short runs. A 3.56 average.

Against Oakland.....

9 carries for 7 yards.