Week 7 Winners and Losers

[mmmdk]

A lot of great posts on winners etc. but I'd like to say just this:

WILSON

[steve823]

Skin hinted at something I'd been wondering about. On the intercepted screen, is Clifton supposed to cut the DE so he's not in a position to grab the pass?

I think that Clifton was so used to Allen trying to rush the passer with speed on the outside that he likely anticipated him running himself out of the play. That didn't happen.

Jared Allen has fallen so far so fast this year that it's being fairly widely speculated that he was juicing and stopped using this season.

Here's a great article that shows how far Allen has fallen.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2010/10/22/stories-of-the-season-jared-allen/

Bulaga had a harder assignment to block Edwards since he's been playing better this year. Bulalga had some help ,but played great. It's hard to see Tauscher come back into the starting lineup IMO.

[pbmax]

Winner: Mike Trgovac.

No matter who he sees in meetings on Monday, its a lock one of them will be hurt by Sunday. Doesn't matter, the guys keep filling in well. Each of the backups has some holes, but Neal, Wilson and even Wynn seem to keep playing hard and get better as they go along.

[pbmax]

I'd give Capers a winner tag as well. He didn't just try and blitz the hell out of Favre all night. He sat back and let Favre beat himself (he he). The old addage that Favre will give you one or two shots at a pick have multiplied to 4-5. Great move.

I'm equally sick of the three man rush on 3rd and long as I am of the 15 yard back shoulder comeback routes along the sidelines.

Hold on guys. Yes there were three man rushes, but that was in 2nd (or 3rd) and ridiculous for the most part. More to the point was that he only had D line personnel to run nickel as his base D, otherwise each lineman would have been out for most snaps. As it was ZOMBO! was playing DE.

I thought Capers did a good job of continuing to send pressure with more than four well into the second half. But those rushers had a lot of trouble getting home. On the last drive, Capers sent five and backed Raji up into short middle coverage. No one got close to Brett. He was more aggressive than in last year's games against Pitt/AZ/Brett.

They will really miss Jenkins, Pickett and Neal.

[pbmax]

Re: Week 7 Winners and Losers

Losers:
Peprah. Bit hard on some misdirection plays. It'll be nice to have Bigby back although I must admit that Peprah is everything you want in a backup.

Just a little note in his defense- The nice pass breakup on Harvin on 3rd and 5 with 1:51 left in the 4th quarter was #26, not #36. The announcers got it wrong. Great play by Peprah.

4:40 mark in this highlight video-
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...ers-highlights

Peprah has been the 3rd best safety of the Thompson era (Burnett doesn't qualify for my completely arbitrary rankings) and you are exactly right. You could not count on a better backup performance.

[pbmax]

I'd chuck it up to a heads up play by Allen/tarded play by A-Rod. Can't blame Clifton for something he shouldn't see coming. I agree with skin that Jared Allen is a bum this year but seeing as how we sent him to the probowl last year its tough not to give Clifton props.

I also agree with JH that A-Rod was the difference last night. He trusted his protection against a team we historically blow against. He stepped up in the pocket instead of shitting down his leg. Sharpest he's looked in a while despite the stupid ints.

Under the old screen system of Beightol, Allen would be picking up his kneecaps off the turf after Cliffy chopped him low. I am not sure Clifton can still make that block.

[get louder at lambeau]

I'd chuck it up to a heads up play by Allen/tarded play by A-Rod. Can't blame Clifton for something he shouldn't see coming. I agree with skin that Jared Allen is a bum this year but seeing as how we sent him to the probowl last year its tough not to give Clifton props.

I also agree with JH that A-Rod was the difference last night. He trusted his protection against a team we historically blow against. He stepped up in the pocket instead of shitting down his leg. Sharpest he's looked in a while despite the stupid ints.

Under the old screen system of Beightol, Allen would be picking up his kneecaps off the turf after Cliffy chopped him low. I am not sure Clifton can still make that block.

If Clifton and Allen are both on the ground from a chop block, I wouldn't bet on Allen being the one picking up his kneecaps off the turf.

[Fritz]

I think Cliffy drops his kneecaps just jogging to the huddle any more.

[Little Whiskey]

biggest loser of the night was my local television network. those bastards broke into the game for almost a 1.5 quarters. they kept showing a skyline view of a sever thunderstorm. all you could see was the street lights with an occational lightening strike. I was pissed! thankfully i had my laptop available to pull the game up online. I was yelling at those dumbasses talking about the weather as much as chearing for the game!

to the game.

i liked the fake fg. to short to punt and one hell of a long FG try. too bad quarless slipped. he just tripped over the f-ing hash marks. i wouldn't down grade him on that alone. He had a nice td grab. even though it might have been overturned on replay. he did a nice job to shield his body away from the official.

the back to back 4-1 run up the middle was dumb. they lb's were playing in the gaps. throw a short slant. Play-action boot leg.

rodgers throwing long on 3 and short pissed me off as much at the misscommunication with his WR's. get the first down! 3rd and 2 look for a 3-5 yard route not a 45 yard pass.

after the screen pass worked so well in the first half, they went away from it. I thought they should have ran a few more. make the defense show you that they can stop it.

[mission]

whoever was responsible for making sure the extra point team got out there so quick after the quarless TD deserves a moment of praise. if it's slocum, then yes, it can only be a brief moment.

that was as important as the throw and "catch" on that play. perfect example of "good teams find a way to win". im not sure we're a good team but we did a lot more of the little things correct and it made enough difference after 4qt to hold up.

[channtheman]

I'd give Capers a winner tag as well. He didn't just try and blitz the hell out of Favre all night. He sat back and let Favre beat himself (he he). The old addage that Favre will give you one or two shots at a pick have multiplied to 4-5. Great move.

I'm equally sick of the three man rush on 3rd and long as I am of the 15 yard back shoulder comeback routes along the sidelines.

Absolutely. We almost lost the game because of the dumbass 3 man rush at the end of the game. With a 3 man rush, Matthews is as good as the worst guy in the league. Should have been a 4 man rush at least.

[Brandon494]

So Hawk is a winner because he had an INT gift wrapped to him? The guy was missing tackles all night on AP and everytime he did make a tackle he got pushed back atleast 3 yards.

OK we get it you dislike Hawk!

Hawk had 11 tackles and an INT. That's pretty active and around the ball. If Hawk's INT was gift wrapped than Bishop's right in his belly was also. I didn't think Hawk was a stud this week but he is the leading tackler on the team and basically sat out week 1.

Hawk has 60 tackles thru 7 games. He is on a 135+ tackle clip.

I don't dislike Hawk, I just call it how I see it. Hes a MLB, hes suppose to lead the team in takcles. All Im saying is the guy is a wrap up tackler who gets pushed back 3 yards until help comes. I still believe Bishop is the better of the two.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't dislike Hawk, I just call it how I see it. Hes a MLB, hes suppose to lead the team in takcles. All Im saying is the guy is a wrap up tackler who gets pushed back 3 yards until help comes. I still believe Bishop is the better of the two.

Hawk is an ILB. Same as Bishop. If you call it the way you see it, how come you didn't jump on Bishop for making the winner's list--in part because of a gift interception? People see what they want to see. Neither guy really deserved the interception they got. Hawk had 11 tackles. Bishop had 8. Personally, I thought both guys played pretty well. There's no shame in allowing 4.7 yards/carry to Adrian Peterson. That's less than he's averaged in his career and this year. Especially behind the DL we threw out there. I thought Bishop and Hawk had a lot to do with Peterson not really going off.

BTW, Chilly loves to feed AP against us. His 28 carries last night tied his season high. Last year, he gave it to him 25 times in both games. His season high was 26. His career high is 30 carries in a game against us in 2008. He's fed Peterson the ball at least 25 times in each of the last 4 games against us.

[Brandon494]

I don't dislike Hawk, I just call it how I see it. Hes a MLB, hes suppose to lead the team in takcles. All Im saying is the guy is a wrap up tackler who gets pushed back 3 yards until help comes. I still believe Bishop is the better of the two.

Hawk is an ILB. Same as Bishop. If you call it the way you see it, how come you didn't jump on Bishop for making the winner's list--in part because of a gift interception? People see what they want to see. Neither guy really deserved the interception they got. Hawk had 11 tackles. Bishop had 8. Personally, I thought both guys played pretty well. There's no shame in allowing 4.7 yards/carry to Adrian Peterson. That's less than he's averaged in his career and this year. Especially behind the DL we threw out there. I thought Bishop and Hawk had a lot to do with Peterson not really going off.

BTW, Chilly loves to feed AP against us. His 28 carries last night tied his season high. Last year, he gave it to him 25 times in both games. His season high was 26. His career high is 30 carries in a game against us in 2008. He's fed Peterson the ball at least 25 times in each of the last 4 games against us.

I didn't mention Bishop off the winners list because he scored a TD in a 4 point game. I'm not saying Hawk had a bad game, just his play is just average to me. Yes he had more tackles then Bishop, but thats only because Capers used Bishop more in coverage even against Moss. Every tackle I saw him make he got pushed on his ass until help came.

[sharpe1027]

Also, MM whiffed on not challenging Jennings clear first down catch, we went for it on 4th down and failed. At that point, I thought we were going to lose the game, and we nearly did.

I think he would have lost that challenge. Jennings own momentum carried him past the first down marker (in the wrong direction). His forward momentum wasn't stopped by a defender, so I think that the spot goes to where the defender first affects his momentum, not to where he caught the ball.