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I'm looking for something that cost them the game, not some lame decision to run out the clock.
Perhaps running AP 95% of the time at our 8th grade DL? Childress could've won this game easily had he just made a stronger commitment to the run game once he realized how thin Green Bay was after Jenkins and Pickett were out.
When you have a stud like AP and don't use him against a team that is decimated by injury on their defensive front 4...well, you are a dumb coach.
Well, Peterson had the third most carries he's ever had in a game in his career--only behind the 30 he had in his record setting game in 2007 vs. San Diego and matched by the 30 he had against Green Bay in 2008. You run a guy much more than that and you are looking at shortening his career. Coaches are more cognizant of that--kind of like the pitch count in baseball. 28 carries and 30 touches prorates to 424 carries and 480 touches over a season. Guys don't last long when they touch the ball that much.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
I agree we got away with a lot of holding, but he must not have noticed his own tackle facemasking Claymaker about 10 times before he got caught. Tonight the officials didn't call holding...both ways, I can live with that.
Catching Childress's postgame presser, the thing that confused me the most was the rage that Childress had about that facemask penalty on Loadholt. He was upset that they hadn't been calling anything all night (as concerns holding) and then the 15 yard penalty happened.
Yes, it's true that the refs weren't calling holding very tightly, but that Loadholt facemask on Matthews was one of those offenses that you can't not call, no matter how generous you've been with respect to holding beforehand. Stuff like that has a potential to seriously injure people, and it's against the rules... so you have to call it.
That might be viewpoint. From the sideline camera, it didn't look egregious to me and I was somewhat surprised and relieved they called it. But from the endzone (reverse direction but same angle as the Umpire who called it) you could clearly see Matthews head get ripped around.
Maybe Chilly saw some of his D line get hung up, but I saw nothing else as obvious on pass blocking from either side.
I hope you watch a replay of the game this week on the NFL Network and they show that facemask grab on Clay again and you will change your mind.
I can't see the league, or the referees in general, being terribly happy he behaved this way.
The league should fine itself for criticizing officiating...got to set an example.
[QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.
On the TD in the middle of the endzone that got called back, (to visanthe shiancoe), it looked like when the tip of the ball hit the ground, his hands slid down the ball (joke away). If his hand moved in any way on that ball, its not a catch, and I think that's what the replay official called.
he's just being a sqeaky wheel...hoping for some grease later on. squeak long enough and you get attention. maybe if mm had gotten loud about some of ar's hits we'd see a few flags. sometimes fine money is money well spent.
he's just being a sqeaky wheel...hoping for some grease later on. squeak long enough and you get attention. maybe if mm had gotten loud about some of ar's hits we'd see a few flags. sometimes fine money is money well spent.
the squeaky wheel either gets grease or gets changed. just need to be careful.
I think there's more to it than that. Seemed like Chilly wanted everyone to know that he wasn't responsible for the loss. Blame Favre. Blame the officials. Hell, he'd blame his mother if he thought it would take the heat off him.
I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
Officiating clearly favored us in the game, and I understand Chilly's frustrations with a fair game being called. How Shianco's TD was called for a booth review and Quarlesses was not is beyond me. That is straight up upstairs officiating, who se ethe same stuff we do, not making the call. Outside of the fact that the ref that is right there isn't even watching quarless, he is just staring at his feet after he has already hit his back as if they are going to change or something.
There were a few other calls. The one play where clay matthews throws his helemt off before the paly is over - that is also against the rules. I forget how much the penalty is for it, but I think it's a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. He didn't throw it anyone, but you're clearly not allowed to be taking your helmet off on purpose in the middle of a play.
I remember during the game saying several times how nice it was having the regs on our side, so I am sure there were some other more 'obvious" penalities that never got thrown that I smiled about. I think Peprah had a pretty obvious one too if I recall we got no flag for. Meanwhile, the vikings seemed to get flags and such for almost any thing they did in terms of impact situations. Packers, meanwhile, got the benefit of the doubt.
I even debated on that one sideline throw to nelson, where he stopped at 10 yards and AR threw it 30 down field, if that should of been intentional grounding. There was NO ONE in the area. No defender, and certainly not Nelson.
It wasn;t intentional, but it may fit in the rules of being a grounding penalty.
That also concerned me a tad. We gave AR all day to throw and man, he was just not on the same page with anyone and looked dejected the entire 2nd half, like he didn't even want to be there. He also seemed to be ignoring Driver all night long.
On some of those missed throws, Driver was running wide open over the middle. I remember one in particular where he actually got behind hte saftey and had 8 yards on the entire defense, but AR just seemed to be determined to NOT look at him, even though he had all day to make a decision.
Just... odd game overall. I don't feel ANY better about our offense.
I think there's more to it than that. Seemed like Chilly wanted everyone to know that he wasn't responsible for the loss. Blame Favre. Blame the officials. Hell, he'd blame his mother if he thought it would take the heat off him.
bingo
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.
Officiating clearly favored us in the game, and I understand Chilly's frustrations with a fair game being called. How Shianco's TD was called for a booth review and Quarlesses was not is beyond me. That is straight up upstairs officiating, who se ethe same stuff we do, not making the call. Outside of the fact that the ref that is right there isn't even watching quarless, he is just staring at his feet after he has already hit his back as if they are going to change or something.
There were a few other calls. The one play where clay matthews throws his helemt off before the paly is over - that is also against the rules. I forget how much the penalty is for it, but I think it's a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. He didn't throw it anyone, but you're clearly not allowed to be taking your helmet off on purpose in the middle of a play.
I remember during the game saying several times how nice it was having the regs on our side, so I am sure there were some other more 'obvious" penalities that never got thrown that I smiled about. I think Peprah had a pretty obvious one too if I recall we got no flag for. Meanwhile, the vikings seemed to get flags and such for almost any thing they did in terms of impact situations. Packers, meanwhile, got the benefit of the doubt.
I even debated on that one sideline throw to nelson, where he stopped at 10 yards and AR threw it 30 down field, if that should of been intentional grounding. There was NO ONE in the area. No defender, and certainly not Nelson.
It wasn;t intentional, but it may fit in the rules of being a grounding penalty.
That also concerned me a tad. We gave AR all day to throw and man, he was just not on the same page with anyone and looked dejected the entire 2nd half, like he didn't even want to be there. He also seemed to be ignoring Driver all night long.
On some of those missed throws, Driver was running wide open over the middle. I remember one in particular where he actually got behind hte saftey and had 8 yards on the entire defense, but AR just seemed to be determined to NOT look at him, even though he had all day to make a decision.
Just... odd game overall. I don't feel ANY better about our offense.
Said this in the other thread.. but it was NOT a booth review. They are only allowed in the last two minutes of each half. MM challenged.
That said, we did receive the majority of the calls, I believe.
PB1234, I really don't get you. I know you're a Favre-ite, but your last post? The Refs sucked for both teams.
The Q TD couldn't be properly seen by the official and Chilly didn't red flag it. That's on Chilly. The Shianco TD is a disgrace, but so are the untold holds against our Claymaker.
I agree that the O still sucks under pressure. I can't believe some of the throws being SO off.
Officiating clearly favored us in the game, and I understand Chilly's frustrations with a fair game being called. How Shianco's TD was called for a booth review and Quarlesses was not is beyond me. That is straight up upstairs officiating, who se ethe same stuff we do, not making the call. Outside of the fact that the ref that is right there isn't even watching quarless, he is just staring at his feet after he has already hit his back as if they are going to change or something.
There were a few other calls. The one play where clay matthews throws his helemt off before the paly is over - that is also against the rules. I forget how much the penalty is for it, but I think it's a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. He didn't throw it anyone, but you're clearly not allowed to be taking your helmet off on purpose in the middle of a play.
I remember during the game saying several times how nice it was having the regs on our side, so I am sure there were some other more 'obvious" penalities that never got thrown that I smiled about. I think Peprah had a pretty obvious one too if I recall we got no flag for. Meanwhile, the vikings seemed to get flags and such for almost any thing they did in terms of impact situations. Packers, meanwhile, got the benefit of the doubt.
I even debated on that one sideline throw to nelson, where he stopped at 10 yards and AR threw it 30 down field, if that should of been intentional grounding. There was NO ONE in the area. No defender, and certainly not Nelson.
It wasn;t intentional, but it may fit in the rules of being a grounding penalty.
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Matthews helmet was shoved halfway off by the offensive lineman: no penalty.
Jordy Nelson cut off a route, but was in the vicinity: no penalty.
You obviously didn't see the horrible spots for the Packers on third and short in the fourth quarter or that they called obviously non-TD's for MIN and made us waste our challenges to get them called correctly. The refs were terrible, but don't kid yourself: they didn't help us any either.
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