Moss Waived by Vikes!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hmmm.....if MJ had ever been called for traveling when he traveled, or charging when he charged--how many championships do you think he'd have??

Uh... the same amount.

You weren't being serious were you? Jordan won championships because he was the best player of his era in a five-player team sport.[/quote]

Patrick Ewing took three giants steps. Hakeem walked on his little spin move. Laimbeer and Rodman got away with fouling Jordan more than they were called. Kobe walks. Magic palmed the ball. Anyways! The correct answer is 8, if Jordan's Dad hadn't been murdered (which sent him on some mission to prove he could be a major league baseball player). Would have been 8 consecutive.

[Iron Mike]

Interest displayed by the F.I.B.s.....

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2010/11/1/1787372/vikings-waive-randy-moss

[hoosier]

From a purely football standpoint, the move made sense. It just seems the Vikings weren't prepared for what they would do when Moss decided to act like...well, Randy Moss. The successful organization seem have a plan and stick to it. The Vikings just seem to bounce from one crisis to another. Hey! Let's sign Jared Allen! Hey! Let's sign Brett Favre! hey! Let's trade for Randy Moss! Hey! Let's move to L.A.!

Please keep the LA crap out of the discussion. But they did follow a plan and up until this season it has worked. Which of the moves you stated above should they have not done given the results of the last 2 years and the expectations for this year? Had they won this year, none of the issues(crises) would have mattered to anyone.

I see your point with Allen. With Favre and Moss, however, I think Joe has a major point. Before Favre the Vikings major strengths were the offensive and defensive lines and running back. They really didn't need a gun slinger at QB when a good game manager would have been sufficient, and sure enough, the gun slinger stuck it to them at just the wrong (right) moment. If instead of signing Favre they had gone out and signed the 2008 version of Kerry Collins (or stuck with Rosenfelds and emphasized game management with him) I expect they would have won the NFCN and made it to the NFCCG as well. Who knows if a ball control and defense-oriented Vikings team beats that charmed Saints team, but I bet they wouldn't have done any worse. You could argue that Moss was a desperation move made by a team that began the season with Super Bowl aspirations but then found itself on the verge of going down the toilet after the first quarter of the season. But why did things get to that point to begin with? Largely because Allen (together with the rest of the DL) and Favre have not come close to reproducing prior successes. And that is one of the risks that come with relying on big name acquisitions.

I disagree about Favre and Allen LAST YEAR. Look, you could imagine getting a QB a bit better than TJack in there and perhaps getting to the NFCC game, but you have to look at what Favre did. It wasn't just a good year for Favre, or a good year for a QB, it was possibly Favre's best year EVER at QB. Maybe with game manager they make the playoff and get bounced in the first round. Favre made teams look silly blitzing him all last year. he was totally on his game. This year is a different story, but last year, if the Vikings (yes, most of them, Peterson and Favre included) hadn't imploded in the NFCC game (like they usually do!) - they might have won it all.

But my point is that, with all of their talent at RB and OL/DL maybe they didn't need Favre and his career season in the first place. What if they had decided to go with a power running attack (with Taylor keeping AP from getting worn down) and a reigned in Sage Rosenfelds to manage the game at QB. They might have missed some of the 36-10 blowouts and had more close, low-scoring games. But the Vikings were 10-1 before losing three of their last five, and I'm guessing they could have come fairly close to duplicating that record without Favre and with a ball-control offense featuring AP.

[packrulz]

Interest displayed by the F.I.B.s.....

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/201...ive-randy-moss

I thought the Bears would be interested right away. I can see why they're letting Moss go, but why didn't they try to trade him to some team to recoup a draft pick or two?

[mraynrand]

Interest displayed by the F.I.B.s.....

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/201...ive-randy-moss

I thought the Bears would be interested right away. I can see why they're letting Moss go, but why didn't they try to trade him to some team to recoup a draft pick or two?

because they are morons

[mraynrand]

From a purely football standpoint, the move made sense. It just seems the Vikings weren't prepared for what they would do when Moss decided to act like...well, Randy Moss. The successful organization seem have a plan and stick to it. The Vikings just seem to bounce from one crisis to another. Hey! Let's sign Jared Allen! Hey! Let's sign Brett Favre! hey! Let's trade for Randy Moss! Hey! Let's move to L.A.!

Please keep the LA crap out of the discussion. But they did follow a plan and up until this season it has worked. Which of the moves you stated above should they have not done given the results of the last 2 years and the expectations for this year? Had they won this year, none of the issues(crises) would have mattered to anyone.

I see your point with Allen. With Favre and Moss, however, I think Joe has a major point. Before Favre the Vikings major strengths were the offensive and defensive lines and running back. They really didn't need a gun slinger at QB when a good game manager would have been sufficient, and sure enough, the gun slinger stuck it to them at just the wrong (right) moment. If instead of signing Favre they had gone out and signed the 2008 version of Kerry Collins (or stuck with Rosenfelds and emphasized game management with him) I expect they would have won the NFCN and made it to the NFCCG as well. Who knows if a ball control and defense-oriented Vikings team beats that charmed Saints team, but I bet they wouldn't have done any worse. You could argue that Moss was a desperation move made by a team that began the season with Super Bowl aspirations but then found itself on the verge of going down the toilet after the first quarter of the season. But why did things get to that point to begin with? Largely because Allen (together with the rest of the DL) and Favre have not come close to reproducing prior successes. And that is one of the risks that come with relying on big name acquisitions.

I disagree about Favre and Allen LAST YEAR. Look, you could imagine getting a QB a bit better than TJack in there and perhaps getting to the NFCC game, but you have to look at what Favre did. It wasn't just a good year for Favre, or a good year for a QB, it was possibly Favre's best year EVER at QB. Maybe with game manager they make the playoff and get bounced in the first round. Favre made teams look silly blitzing him all last year. he was totally on his game. This year is a different story, but last year, if the Vikings (yes, most of them, Peterson and Favre included) hadn't imploded in the NFCC game (like they usually do!) - they might have won it all.

But my point is that, with all of their talent at RB and OL/DL maybe they didn't need Favre and his career season in the first place. What if they had decided to go with a power running attack (with Taylor keeping AP from getting worn down) and a reigned in Sage Rosenfelds to manage the game at QB. They might have missed some of the 36-10 blowouts and had more close, low-scoring games. But the Vikings were 10-1 before losing three of their last five, and I'm guessing they could have come fairly close to duplicating that record without Favre and with a ball-control offense featuring AP.

OK. You could be right, but the guy would have to be reasonably better than TJack. Rosenrosen is adequate, sometimes very good for stretches and then he just absolutely decompensates. It's a horrible thing to watch (unless he's QBing the Vikes of course)

[ThunderDan]

Interest displayed by the F.I.B.s.....

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/201...ive-randy-moss

I thought the Bears would be interested right away. I can see why they're letting Moss go, but why didn't they try to trade him to some team to recoup a draft pick or two?

How about its past the trade deadline!

[3irty1]

From a purely football standpoint, the move made sense. It just seems the Vikings weren't prepared for what they would do when Moss decided to act like...well, Randy Moss. The successful organization seem have a plan and stick to it. The Vikings just seem to bounce from one crisis to another. Hey! Let's sign Jared Allen! Hey! Let's sign Brett Favre! hey! Let's trade for Randy Moss! Hey! Let's move to L.A.!

Please keep the LA crap out of the discussion. But they did follow a plan and up until this season it has worked. Which of the moves you stated above should they have not done given the results of the last 2 years and the expectations for this year? Had they won this year, none of the issues(crises) would have mattered to anyone.

I see your point with Allen. With Favre and Moss, however, I think Joe has a major point. Before Favre the Vikings major strengths were the offensive and defensive lines and running back. They really didn't need a gun slinger at QB when a good game manager would have been sufficient, and sure enough, the gun slinger stuck it to them at just the wrong (right) moment. If instead of signing Favre they had gone out and signed the 2008 version of Kerry Collins (or stuck with Rosenfelds and emphasized game management with him) I expect they would have won the NFCN and made it to the NFCCG as well. Who knows if a ball control and defense-oriented Vikings team beats that charmed Saints team, but I bet they wouldn't have done any worse. You could argue that Moss was a desperation move made by a team that began the season with Super Bowl aspirations but then found itself on the verge of going down the toilet after the first quarter of the season. But why did things get to that point to begin with? Largely because Allen (together with the rest of the DL) and Favre have not come close to reproducing prior successes. And that is one of the risks that come with relying on big name acquisitions.

I disagree about Favre and Allen LAST YEAR. Look, you could imagine getting a QB a bit better than TJack in there and perhaps getting to the NFCC game, but you have to look at what Favre did. It wasn't just a good year for Favre, or a good year for a QB, it was possibly Favre's best year EVER at QB. Maybe with game manager they make the playoff and get bounced in the first round. Favre made teams look silly blitzing him all last year. he was totally on his game. This year is a different story, but last year, if the Vikings (yes, most of them, Peterson and Favre included) hadn't imploded in the NFCC game (like they usually do!) - they might have won it all.

But my point is that, with all of their talent at RB and OL/DL maybe they didn't need Favre and his career season in the first place. What if they had decided to go with a power running attack (with Taylor keeping AP from getting worn down) and a reigned in Sage Rosenfelds to manage the game at QB. They might have missed some of the 36-10 blowouts and had more close, low-scoring games. But the Vikings were 10-1 before losing three of their last five, and I'm guessing they could have come fairly close to duplicating that record without Favre and with a ball-control offense featuring AP.

Yeah I'm thinking not. Before Favre their team was the schematic equivalent of the Badgers Basketball system. They'll make better teams play down to their level but will let worse teams hang around. You don't win anything with a system like that.

On Defense they run a Tampa-2 scheme with enough pieces put in to stop the run very well. Its a patient defense that limits big plays, stops the run, and forces you to move the chains slowly, smothering you. Makes your drives take forever.

If you pair a defense like this with a high powered passing offense like the Colts have, you win superbowls. If you pair this defense with a ball control offense like the Dolphins have, you're shortening the game to the point where upsets are likely. If upsets are likely, you can never be a superbowl favorite.

[HowardRoark]

Restauranteur Describes Moss Outburst

http://kstp.com/article/stories/s1819871.shtml

[HowardRoark]

Please keep the LA crap out of the discussion.

They have that covered. They got a plan.

http://www.gettinziggywithit.com/index.php

[vince]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/A-week-before-he-was-cut-Moss-exclaimed-Im-one-and-done.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

A week before he was cut, Moss exclaimed 'I'm one and done.'
Per source, situation was bubbling before New England game

As the stories pile up about Randy Moss’ brief four-game return to the Minnesota Vikings, the one that ended when he was officially placed on waivers by the team today, it becomes evident that no one could have been surprised it ended abruptly.

Certainly there could be a faction of players who don’t approve of the move that was made by coach Brad Childress – cutting the wide receiver only weeks after trading a third-round draft pick for him. But the locker room knew the situation was combustible.

As one league source explained to the National Football Post this afternoon, Moss was loudly complaining following the Green Bay game Oct. 24, his third in a Vikings uniform. This situation was coming to a head well before the team went to play at New England this past Sunday.

“I cannot play for this coach,” Moss said to teammates in the vicinity as the club departed Green Bay. “I’m one and done.”

The one Moss meant was one season. He got one more game before he was done. The Minneapolis Star Tribune details an incident in the team’s locker room just last week when Moss blew up at a caterer that was there to provide lunch to the team following practice.

“(Moss) came walking up," Gus Tinucci of Tinucci's explained to the Star Tribune. "There were a couple of guys that were in line. I knew Brett (Favre) put his helmet down. I met him carving. I was carving some meat for a guy and all of a sudden I heard all this screaming and I was like, 'Are you kidding me?' I knew who it was immediately. I looked up and there he was. (Moss said), 'I wouldn't feed this (expletive) to my (expletive) dog.' I was in shock. I couldn't believe it. It was quiet in there.”

A blow up over lunch certainly isn’t something that would have greased the skids for Moss. But it’s the kind of irrational behavior that’s marked his career. What happened was Moss locked horns with Childress. There are some players that may wholeheartedly agree with much of what Moss complained about when it came to the coach, but Childress wasn’t going to put up with a malcontent.

You would think Childress and the Vikings knew what they were getting. Hopefully, it’s a lesson learned for Childress, but you have to wonder if he’s going to be done himself in Minnesota following the season. There’s a fine in-house candidate right now to take over on an interim basis, defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier.

But can this team handle any more turmoil?

[get louder at lambeau]

Wow. You know, I think I'm actually starting to feel sorry for the Vikes.





Wait, nevermind. I guess it was just gas.

I feel much better now.

[bobblehead]

Hmmm.....if MJ had ever been called for traveling when he traveled, or charging when he charged--how many championships do you think he'd have??

Uh... the same amount.

You weren't being serious were you? Jordan won championships because he was the best player of his era in a five-player team sport.

Patrick Ewing took three giants steps. Hakeem walked on his little spin move. Laimbeer and Rodman got away with fouling Jordan more than they were called. Kobe walks. Magic palmed the ball. Anyways! The correct answer is 8, if Jordan's Dad hadn't been murdered (which sent him on some mission to prove he could be a major league baseball player). Would have been 8 consecutive.[/quote]

Seriously, the NBA is more rigged than the WWE and Harry Reid elections combined.

[mission]

Can we get the quote right so it doesn't attribute words to me that I never said?

(kinda embarrassed by that particularly )

[Cheesehead Craig]

Can we get the quote right so it doesn't attribute words to me that I never said?

(kinda embarrassed that I love Brett Favre and wish he'd return my calls )

That better?