So what's MM's problem?

[MJZiggy]

Maybe I missed this but as a head coach how is MM a great teacher ? He seems to be a great developer of QB's but not sure about the rest.
I think he's average which is not ground to get rid of the guy

But if he doesn't make some moves with his staff I'll think less than him

You already think less than him

[RashanGary]

Why can't GB you hire laterally to get a good O-line coach? It is done all the time. However, the field you are limited to includes assistants with expiring contracts, and more likely, those on the staffs of fired head coaches. Assistants do not like to get the rep of jumping from staff to staff, so most will stay if offered a renewal, but not always, and most work on 2-year contracts at most. However, when the HC is fired, most assistants are granted the right to look elsewhwere, and many times the staff is let go in its entirety. That is where you can often find a proven coach with success at the area you want him.

Good point. This would be one way to land our guy, but if we're going to hire an OL guy to be better than Philbin, we should just fire his ass anyway. It's great that our offense, in total, is putting up excellent numbers, but it's in the areas of MM's expertise and we suck in the area of Philbins expertise.

It doesn't make sense to keep an OL background OC who's failing in the one area he has experience in. Look at his background. What the hell is he doing if not bringing OL expertise?


I say we find the most sought after OL guy in the business and replace our OL background OC with a better OL background OC. That's the surest way to get the top guy. Philbin is not the top OL guy. He's failing at the one thing he's supposed to be good at.

[Patler]

Good point. This would be one way to land our guy, but if we're going to hire an OL guy to be better than Philbin, we should just fire his ass anyway. It's great that our offense, in total, is putting up excellent numbers, but it's in the areas of MM's expertise and we suck in the area of Philbins expertise.

It doesn't make sense to keep an OL background OC who's failing in the one area he has experience in. Look at his background. What the hell is he doing if not bringing OL expertise?


I say we find the most sought after OL guy in the business and replace our OL background OC with a better OL background OC. That's the surest way to get the top guy. Philbin is not the top OL guy. He's failing at the one thing he's supposed to be good at.

I don't care if Philbin was an O-line coach before. Upon being named OC he became much less involved in the day-to-day training of the O-line players, and more involved in the overall operation of the offense. I doubt that he spends significantly more time with the o-line than he does with other position groups.

I would be more than satisfied with letting Campen take the fall!

[RashanGary]

You don't think McCarthy is most responsible for the passing part of our offense and Philbin the OL/running part? Come on, man. Look at their backgrounds.

[Patler]

You don't think McCarthy is most responsible for the passing part of our offense and Philbin the OL/running part? Come on, man. Look at their backgrounds.

What do you mean by "responsible"? Is Philbin focused more on running philosophy and MM on passing? Perhaps. But is he overly involved in the nitty gritty day-to-day coaching of the O-line? I doubt it very much.

You seem to suggest that he is just a glorified O-line coach, and I doubt very much that is the case.

[Fritz]

I think we can all agree that firing Campen would be a good move.

Okay?

Now let's all sing "Kumbaya" around the campfire!

[Joemailman]

I think we can all agree that firing Campen would be a good move.

Okay?

Now let's all sing "Kumbaya" around the campfire!

Can MM do it in the next few days so I don't have to worry about it at Christmas?

[pbmax]

He is a great teacher of qbs -- thats it. Does not have the teaching depth of Walsh or Belicheck which ultimately leads to super bowls.

Please list for me the teaching credentials that each had compared to McCarthy. Walsh was a RB coach, then coordinator (when O coordinator also meant QB coach). Belicheck had one year on the offensive side of the ball then did Special Teams(when it was not a separate coaching job) and linebackers.

McCarthy has been a WR coach then offensive coordinator.

Head coaches do not do much teaching day to day. McCarthy has demonstrated he can impart lessons to QBs, just as the other two did to their charges. But that is all that can be said. This topic, teaching, is just a rubric for complaining about the record.

[rbaloha1]

Please list for me the teaching credentials that each had compared to McCarthy. Walsh was a RB coach, then coordinator (when O coordinator also meant QB coach). Belicheck had one year on the offensive side of the ball then did Special Teams(when it was not a separate coaching job) and linebackers.

McCarthy has been a WR coach then offensive coordinator.

Head coaches do not do much teaching day to day. McCarthy has demonstrated he can impart lessons to QBs, just as the other two did to their charges. But that is all that can be said. This topic, teaching, is just a rubric for complaining about the record.

The point is from a stylistic point of view -- the ability to teach concepts and fundamentals to players. Players then execute. Understanding players strengths and weaknesses which result in placing player's in winning performance is the key. Holgremn's experience as a history teacher helped him as a football coach.

Walsh and Belecheck both have been cited as great teachers. Unsure where MM stands. At the end of the day both have super bowls while we await the donkey MM win meaningful and close games (5-15 and .333 in playoff games)

[red]

I think we can all agree that firing Campen would be a good move.

Okay?

Now let's all sing "Kumbaya" around the campfire!

can we shoot his dog too?

[gbgary]

needs a real OC and needs to give up the play calling.

[mmmdk]

needs a real OC and needs to give up the play calling.

Yup !

This way I'd accept him staying. But would he? Is it a slap in the face? Too proud to do it, is my guess.

[mmmdk]

You sure about that? I've heard of Belichick referred to as a great teacher...

No, not sure! But Belichick is more than a teacher and would never screw up, time after time, on time management. Plus Stubby's play calling is topsy turvy at best. Beli has that down.

[mmmdk]

McCarthy on final drive: "I didn't find anything chaotic about the final seconds of the game."

Are you kiddin' me? Squibby Stubby couldn't manage or orchestrate an offense to save his life.

Hey teacher, leave the Pack alone !

[rbaloha1]

No, not sure! But Belichick is more than a teacher and would never screw up, time after time, on time management. Plus Stubby's play calling is topsy turvy at best. Beli has that down.

If I recall correctly from the broadcast, Belecheck has a streak of 62 fourth quarter home victories when leading.