Flynn As a Starter Full Time. Could He Win?

[rbaloha1]

Game management is not enough. One can not expect to hold the Pats to 1 td. MF is going to have to make plays.

[Tarlam!]

I don't think the fact Flynn beat out a 2nd round pick means anything going forward wrt his success.

Neither does the collective dumping on Tedford QB's, I guess. Fact is, he showed as much as Rodgers by securing the back up gig behind the starter. We fans heard less positive vibes about Rodgers when he was a backup than we did about Flynn. I'm just sayin'....

[HarveyWallbangers]

Who knows whether he can win in the NFL? HIGHLY DOUBTFUL that he'll ever be close to as good as Rodgers is right now. He just doesn't have the tools. He's not as accurate, his arm strength isn't nearly as good, and his mobility isn't as good. Kind of laughable to even make the comparison right now. I disagree with anybody who said that Rodgers didn't show as much as Flynn. By his second preseason, I thought Rodgers had a shot at being very good. By his third preseason and especially after the Dallas game, I knew he'd be very good (if he could stay healthy).

[Joemailman]

Flynn is somewhere between Ty Detmer and Jeff Garcia. Hasn't played enough yet to really tell. My guess is he'll have a long career as a valuable backup with occasional starter roles.

[RashanGary]

I like Flynn's gritty demeanor. I like his accuracy. I like his mobility. Listening to MM, they like his knowledge of the offense and of defenses.


Clearly Rodgers has the bigger arm and has developed amazing accuracy over the last couple seasons starting. Rodgers has 40 or whatever starts under his belt. He's just better right now and probably ever.

One thing I like in Flynn more than Rodgers his style. Rodgers is nit-picky and a perfectionist. I guess you could say the same of Brady. I once saw him explode at himself for an INT when he was up by something like 30 points. It was meaningless to everyone but Brady who was throwing a fit. I guess the nit-picky personality might be a good thing, but I like Flynn's, gut it out, whatever it takes, sort of tough guy approach. I think it's more inspiring to the guys than perfectionism, although if you're near perfect, that ends up being inspiring too.

[bobblehead]

I would like to change my vote now.

[gbgary]

well...very impressed. he'll make someone a very good qb. he won't be here very long.

[packerbacker1234]

He is still a tad raw and clearly needs more practice time: That was very evident in the 2 minute drill when he had to wait for calls from the sideline that he couldn't hear. Again, that is all easily correctable through practice time. Always have to remember he went into this game with just what, 4 days of practice as a starter? No TC developement for the role, no nothing.

After watching him play today with just 4 really meaningful practices... against the best team in the nfl....

Guy is a gamer. He brings a completely different style of football to this particular offense than rodgers does. Reminds me a lot of teams that do well in the playoffs. He, combined with the line, even made Brandon Jackson look good today. Made Kuhn look liek the gamer we saw in the early weeks of the year. Flynn's brand of football is refreshingly different than Rodgers, and it's hard to say which brand is better or would produce more. While rodgers has the experience and the big arm, Flynn seems to have all the intangibles.

Rodgers feels like a QB who's playstyle (at least, the way he audbiles and the way we gameplan with him) is more suited for a warm weather/dome. His style is also more indicitive of big plays rather than long drives. After watching the offense today, Flynn, and MM's play calling, I now must bring into question how many of these seemingly odd calls are on Rodgers and his audibles/decisions. Rodgers is clearly more comfortable in the shotgun - Flynn under center with occasional shotgun.

They are two different brands of ball. The real eyeopener here is that in the last two games, Flynn's style has bore more statistical fruit, anyways, than Rodgers (grant it, there was no rodgers to compare to today) - but flynn was able to move the ball better than rodgers did last week in similar play time against the same team. Flynn's style seems better suited for all weather teams - teams like the giants, packers, etc... where you have to play in cold, wind, rain, snow, domes, and all that jazz. It's a style that works no matter the climate, where as a mid range passing offense that Rodgers runs can actually be stopped by weather. Also, flynn's style CLEARLY opens the run game more. I think this has mostly to do with the fact he likes to run it from under center. Opens up SO MUCH MORE of the playbook.

We ran a lot of plays today that we simply were not running, or we were adubiling out of, with Rodgers on the field.


Long haul, there is just too small of a sample size. But considering he had one of the single best 1st game starting performances in the history of the nfl (even in getting a loss) there is clearly something there. It can only get better with practice, and having a top tier QB coach in MM right there to groom you doesn't hurt. He's coached some of the best QB's to ever play.

Are we better with Flynn over Rodgers right now? No, you just can't beat the experience Rodgers has. He's a probowl QB, Flynn is a one game starter who played well.

I think our offense does some things better with Flynn and some things better with Rodgers. Hard to say right now. All I know is this: We have two damn good QB's on this roster.

[vince]

Flynn's a heady gamer, albeit obviously inexperienced yet. I hope the Packers are able to move him and give him a shot to play somewhere. His lack of arm strength will ultimately hold him back. He just can't get the deeper ball out with enough velocity to keep it from floating. That doesn't mean he can't play, but it does mean that he's somewhat limited forever.

[packerbacker1234]

Flynn's a heady gamer, albeit obviously inexperienced yet. I hope the Packers are able to move him and give him a shot to play somewhere. His lack of arm strength will ultimately hold him back. He just can't get the deeper ball out with enough velocity to keep it from floating. That doesn't mean he can't play, but it does mean that he's somewhat limited forever.

I think he works well in offenses built like the steelers. It's not ever really about going down field. Sure, now and then you throw a 40 yarder, but it's about taking what is given and opening the run game. By all accounts - Flynn outplayed Tom Brady today in all but one situation: The hurry up offense. Of course, Tom Brady is a 3 time super bowl winner and Flynn had just 4 meaningful practices under his belt. However, how Flynn performed with just 4 practices as a starter... and what he did out there and how he slowly improved under pressure as the game went on...

Guy can play. He's a winner. He just has that aura about him right now that hey - I'm going to do what it takes.

[Tarlam!]

Who knows whether he can win in the NFL? HIGHLY DOUBTFUL that he'll ever be close to as good as Rodgers is right now. He just doesn't have the tools. He's not as accurate, his arm strength isn't nearly as good, and his mobility isn't as good. Kind of laughable to even make the comparison right now. I disagree with anybody who said that Rodgers didn't show as much as Flynn. By his second preseason, I thought Rodgers had a shot at being very good. By his third preseason and especially after the Dallas game, I knew he'd be very good (if he could stay healthy).

Thanks for not naming me outright, Harv! My memory of Rodgers' first few outings is different; he took a lot of heat from us fans and I don't remember even you brimming with confidence that the team was gonna move on without missing a beat.

Fact is, Flynn's stock was high going into this season as many unnamed sources, IIRC, were maintaining he was the best kept secret in the NFL. Nobody had Rodgers in that category when he was the backup, in fact, most pundits were still puzzling over whether or not he was too brittle to even play in the NFL (broke his foot against the Patsies). That was just one of the knocks.

Flynn proved today, to me at least, that he could be a heckuva player if he were the starter for a team, provided he received a simarly high standard of coaching as he does in GB. And your point about arm strength and mobility is bull, cause if that were so ultra important, the Bert years would have seen a few more rings than just one, wouldn't ya think?? It's a nice to have, but it's not mandatory.

[packrulz]

Flynn played well enough to win, Jones admitted the int was his fault, and special teams probably cost us the game on the 71 yard kick return by the offensive lineman. His arm strength is decent, he overthrew his receivers a couple times on deep passes, so I just think he needs more practice.

[RashanGary]

He is still a tad raw and clearly needs more practice time: That was very evident in the 2 minute drill when he had to wait for calls from the sideline that he couldn't hear. Again, that is all easily correctable through practice time. Always have to remember he went into this game with just what, 4 days of practice as a starter? No TC developement for the role, no nothing.

After watching him play today with just 4 really meaningful practices... against the best team in the nfl....

Guy is a gamer. He brings a completely different style of football to this particular offense than rodgers does. Reminds me a lot of teams that do well in the playoffs. He, combined with the line, even made Brandon Jackson look good today. Made Kuhn look liek the gamer we saw in the early weeks of the year. Flynn's brand of football is refreshingly different than Rodgers, and it's hard to say which brand is better or would produce more. While rodgers has the experience and the big arm, Flynn seems to have all the intangibles.

Rodgers feels like a QB who's playstyle (at least, the way he audbiles and the way we gameplan with him) is more suited for a warm weather/dome. His style is also more indicitive of big plays rather than long drives. After watching the offense today, Flynn, and MM's play calling, I now must bring into question how many of these seemingly odd calls are on Rodgers and his audibles/decisions. Rodgers is clearly more comfortable in the shotgun - Flynn under center with occasional shotgun.

They are two different brands of ball. The real eyeopener here is that in the last two games, Flynn's style has bore more statistical fruit, anyways, than Rodgers (grant it, there was no rodgers to compare to today) - but flynn was able to move the ball better than rodgers did last week in similar play time against the same team. Flynn's style seems better suited for all weather teams - teams like the giants, packers, etc... where you have to play in cold, wind, rain, snow, domes, and all that jazz. It's a style that works no matter the climate, where as a mid range passing offense that Rodgers runs can actually be stopped by weather. Also, flynn's style CLEARLY opens the run game more. I think this has mostly to do with the fact he likes to run it from under center. Opens up SO MUCH MORE of the playbook.

We ran a lot of plays today that we simply were not running, or we were adubiling out of, with Rodgers on the field.


Long haul, there is just too small of a sample size. But considering he had one of the single best 1st game starting performances in the history of the nfl (even in getting a loss) there is clearly something there. It can only get better with practice, and having a top tier QB coach in MM right there to groom you doesn't hurt. He's coached some of the best QB's to ever play.

Are we better with Flynn over Rodgers right now? No, you just can't beat the experience Rodgers has. He's a probowl QB, Flynn is a one game starter who played well.

I think our offense does some things better with Flynn and some things better with Rodgers. Hard to say right now. All I know is this: We have two damn good QB's on this roster.

Good post. I like Flynn's style better too. He keeps the play at the line more. That makes the tempo much faster and keeps the defenses on their heels. Because he's not doing so much dinking at the line, I think the lineman end up in better rhythm and everything runs smoother. He's content with a first down rather than taking big play oportunities. I know that seems like a bad thing maybe, but we didn't have many, if any 3 and outs the way Rodgers does. Like Brady and Favre, Flynn is more apt to get the ball out quickly to one of his playmakers rather than throw down the field.

Rodgers is a better QB, but I like the way Flynn grinds and his style better. I don't know if you can teach Rodgers to be more like Flynn, but it would be a good start if they tried.

[Pugger]

Flynn showed us why MM and company kept only him as the back-up. I don't know if he has the arm to be a starter in this league but he does have the moxy, that's for sure. Decent back-ups are hard to find so I hope Flynn is going nowhere any time soon.

[sharpe1027]

He's biggest problem last night was throwing the deep ball where a safety was able to get in and make a play over the top. Either he needs to make better reads, or his deep passes simply float too much to ever make those throws. I tend to think that last night was more of a recognition issue, but he may still have a hard time getting the ball into the gap where a DB passes the WR off to the safety. Then again, most QBs have trouble with that pass.