Flynn As a Starter Full Time. Could He Win?

[th87]

Big fan of his innate feel for the game. His "baseline" feel is better than Rodgers', but Rodg has developed it well.

[packerbacker1234]

He's biggest problem last night was throwing the deep ball where a safety was able to get in and make a play over the top. Either he needs to make better reads, or his deep passes simply float too much to ever make those throws. I tend to think that last night was more of a recognition issue, but he may still have a hard time getting the ball into the gap where a DB passes the WR off to the safety. Then again, most QBs have trouble with that pass.

hard to really say for sure on that point after one game. He had 2 amazing down field throws to jones - one that dropped right over the coverage for the long TD (and then the coverage took eachother out) and one that was thrown right on the money in a one on one where if jones even gave a little effort on trying to jump over the coverage, it would of been a completion. He also overthrew a couple guys and made a bad decision to throw into double coverage down the sideline late, but the penalty negated it.

Then again, Rodgers over throws receivers all the time. The difference is that since Rodgers tends to throw it deep much more often, so he creates more opportunities to complete the pass.

The contrasting styles are interesting. We've seemingly always had a lot of 3 and outs with Rodgers as he is always looking to make the big play, and with Flynn we ended up in a lot of 3rd and 3, 3rd and 4 situations which he converted by passing almost every single time. We know our line isn't stellar and that Jackson is at best a 3rd down back, yet yeserday you could of confused him as being Ryan Grant due to flynn's style. You just enver knew what was going to happen with Flynn out there under center. Is it a stunt? Is a straight up run, is a slant pass? Is it going to be a play action deep?

I think he has the accuracy. Remember that throw into tight coverage to quarless that he dropped? That throw was amazingly on point. He also did some subtle things with his short throws. The one pass to kuhn in the red zone that gave us a first he lead kuhn, who was backing into a defender, away from him with the throw, giving kuhn the chance to see the man and make him miss.

It's really interesting. Rodgers is close to being elite, bu our offense looked more effecient with flynn over the course of a game. 2 minute drill? I want rodgers. Course of the game? I want flynn. Our offense just looked better with that style.

[Patler]

Lets not forget that he also threw a pretty bad interception in that final drive that was nullified by the penalty on Banta-Cain for getting his hands into Clifton's face.

Flynn had a good game, but he was not asked to do a lot, either. He had some very good moments and some bad moments, as one would expect. Overall, he showed why TT and MM like him and kept him as their #2 QB.

I suspect he will get two more starts this year.

[bobblehead]

When Rodgers came in against the cowboys when burt quit on us in '07 he did exactly what flynn did today. Took the checkdowns, found the short stuff etc. He has gotten too comfortable looking deep and ignoring the releasing RB, or the safety valve in the play. I loved flynn, but Rodgers is still better without a doubt. I agree with those that think arm strength ultimately is the difference between good and great QB's. What I liked to see most was 3rd and goal, nothing developed and Flynn dumped it into the stands at about the 4 second mark. He could have tried to force something, but he was very aware of where the game was and made the smart choice. Only a couple times did he hold the ball. Our line wasn't great today either (much better vs. the run, but that was due to the way the patriots lined up), but flynn consistently got rid of the ball.

[bobblehead]

Lets not forget that he also threw a pretty bad interception in that final drive that was nullified by the penalty on Banta-Cain for getting his hands into Clifton's face.

Flynn had a good game, but he was not asked to do a lot, either. He had some very good moments and some bad moments, as one would expect. Overall, he showed why TT and MM like him and kept him as their #2 QB.

I suspect he will get two more starts this year.

If the bears win tonight I think he gets two more starts...if not, Arod will be back.

On that interception I thought there was clear interference on Jennings. He tried to fight back for the ball, but the guy covering him ran square into him and rode him out of the play....classic PI, but no flag, so as "lucky" as we got on the interception, I thought we were pretty "unlucky" to not get the flag that really would have flipped the field.

[sharpe1027]

hard to really say for sure on that point after one game. He had 2 amazing down field throws to jones - one that dropped right over the coverage for the long TD (and then the coverage took eachother out) and one that was thrown right on the money in a one on one where if jones even gave a little effort on trying to jump over the coverage, it would of been a completion. He also overthrew a couple guys and made a bad decision to throw into double coverage down the sideline late, but the penalty negated it.

Then again, Rodgers over throws receivers all the time. The difference is that since Rodgers tends to throw it deep much more often, so he creates more opportunities to complete the pass.

The contrasting styles are interesting. We've seemingly always had a lot of 3 and outs with Rodgers as he is always looking to make the big play, and with Flynn we ended up in a lot of 3rd and 3, 3rd and 4 situations which he converted by passing almost every single time. We know our line isn't stellar and that Jackson is at best a 3rd down back, yet yeserday you could of confused him as being Ryan Grant due to flynn's style. You just enver knew what was going to happen with Flynn out there under center. Is it a stunt? Is a straight up run, is a slant pass? Is it going to be a play action deep?

I think he has the accuracy. Remember that throw into tight coverage to quarless that he dropped? That throw was amazingly on point. He also did some subtle things with his short throws. The one pass to kuhn in the red zone that gave us a first he lead kuhn, who was backing into a defender, away from him with the throw, giving kuhn the chance to see the man and make him miss.

It's really interesting. Rodgers is close to being elite, bu our offense looked more effecient with flynn over the course of a game. 2 minute drill? I want rodgers. Course of the game? I want flynn. Our offense just looked better with that style.

Maybe, but IMHO the pass to Jones probably should not have been thrown. The Pats safety played a bumbling keystone cops routine and had took a terrible angle that involved a great block on the DB allowing Jones to walk into the endzone. So there were at least three different times he threw questionable deep balls.

[Scott Campbell]

He had his guy beat. But it shouldn't have gone for a TD. The over the top safety help sucked.

[Freak Out]

On the pick 6 didn't Jones give up on the route? The other two picks were just bad decisions on Flynn's part.

[Patler]

If the bears win tonight I think he gets two more starts...if not, Arod will be back.

On that interception I thought there was clear interference on Jennings. He tried to fight back for the ball, but the guy covering him ran square into him and rode him out of the play....classic PI, but no flag, so as "lucky" as we got on the interception, I thought we were pretty "unlucky" to not get the flag that really would have flipped the field.

I'm guessing Rodgers won't be cleared to play, or if he is the Packers will hold him out this week anyway, using a "lack of preparation excuse". I have a feeling that he is done for the year, especially after hearing that he experienced headaches toward the end of last week. The Packers have taken the safe route with other players, and I think they will especially for Rodgers.

I didn't see interference on the interception, just guys equally fighting for their position on the field. The defender had darn good position, and used it to keep Jennings away. Just my opinion.

[mmmdk]

Flynn is a fine backup QB and could even start for many NFL teams; I admit that now!

[Ballboy]

Its funny, I was thinking last night during the game that it was Flynn auditioning for a job. Several teams need a QB...Bills, 49ers, Raiders, Cleveland, Titans, Vikings and even possibly Panthers, Dolphins or Seattle.

Why wouldn't these teams, even if they have a higher draft pick, not ship a 3rd round pick to GB for Flynn and still be able to use the higher pick on another position? TT LOVES his 3rd round picks!!!

[OS PA]

Had hoody gone with the same game-plan against Rodgers, no points would have been left on the field. I have no reason not to believe that Rodgers would have scorched their safeties deep. Especially considering that we had our running game going, Rodgers has the experience, the arm, and the balls to have pressed the ball over the top. Flynn did an excellent job taking what he was given and even pressing at times, but he is simply not the same quality of quarterback that Rodgers has been for us.

Now, I do think that Rodgers and McCarthy have been calling too risky of game plans for us. This big risk-big reward shit that we've seen all year has to stop.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Flynn = game manager in the Brad Johnson mold. His noodle arm will keep him from ever being an elite QB, but his grit, mobility, and leadership could make him a decent starter some day. No comparison between him and Rodgers though (despite the psychological babble going on this thread), so let's not get carried away.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I suspect he will get two more starts this year.

I sure hope not. Damn you for even suspecting it.

[denverYooper]

Had hoody gone with the same game-plan against Rodgers, no points would have been left on the field. I have no reason not to believe that Rodgers would have scorched their safeties deep. Especially considering that we had our running game going, Rodgers has the experience, the arm, and the balls to have pressed the ball over the top. Flynn did an excellent job taking what he was given and even pressing at times, but he is simply not the same quality of quarterback that Rodgers has been for us.

Now, I do think that Rodgers and McCarthy have been calling too risky of game plans for us. This big risk-big reward shit that we've seen all year has to stop.

You bring up something I thought about while watching last night: what would have happened if they played that style (3 step, quick pass, more run) more with Rodgers? It seems that they've had success with it when they choose to play that way but get away from it at times -- especially when they feel like they have a perceived advantage over another team's DBs (Was, Det come to mind).