James Jones!

[SkinBasket]

Jones would be the best receiver on a handful of teams in this league, maybe even the Bears. He'd be a starter on all but a handful of teams in the league (including the team he's on oddly enough).

If Jones played the way you and others want him to play, that would be true. As it is, and as it's always been with him, he might be the best receiver on a handful of teams. If he could just play consistently. But I guess for some fans, the jury's still out.

Tramon Williams was a guy who everyone sat around and bitched about how inconsistent, overrated, questionalbe he was and all he did was turn out great. Jones dropsies and fumblitis rule him out from becoming the next Tramon, but he has that kind of talent and he's going to have a big career IMO.

When did people call Tramon inconsistent, overrated, and questionable? Maybe you felt this way, but I certainly don't remember a popular sentiment of that sort. I guess we'll just have to wait, like we do every year, for that "big career" to start. But I'm still waiting, and have been for a couple years, for Bigby's next "big hit," so you'll have to excuse me if I'm not as interested in waiting on Jones. A guy can only wait on so much delusional wishful thinking before he starts forgetting what he was waiting for.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Jones flashes #1 ability. He was in the top 32 WR's this year for yards. Either Jones has #1 WR talent or we think there are only 20 #1 WR's in the NFL.

Top 32 WR in yards? I just looked at the top 50 for yards and he wasn't on the list. Seven of the players were TEs, but that means he wasn't in the top 43 WRs. Not sure yards is the best indicator for ranking WRs anyways.

[RashanGary]

There are a few RB's on that list too. But yeah, that stat I looked at a few weeks ago and didn't know the exact number or really care for that matter. He's In the top 43 then. And regardless, that's after taking a back seat to Jennings, Finley and Driver early and Jennings and Driver for the rest of the season. He's a friggin animal. Just has to catch the ball and hang on to it. There are finess WR's. There are hustle WR's. There are freak WR's. Jones is a beast WR. He'll have an awesome career.

[RashanGary]

BEAST

[Joemailman]

JJ was 55th in receiving yards, 45th among WR's. I think Jones is a legit #2. If he was a #1, he would have shown it by now.

[RashanGary]

JJ was 55th in receiving yards, 45th among WR's. I think Jones is a legit #2. If he was a #1, he would have shown it by now.

Same was said about Tramon Williams before he became a starter. Same was said about Bishop (by skinbasket too. Skin ranted and raved about what a douche Bishop was). Jones hasn't even scratched the surface.

[CaliforniaCheez]

James Jones has had 3 huge fumbles against the Bears. 2 in field goal range and one on a crucial winning drive at midfield.

He had the famous drop against the Eagles.

There is a pretty good chance he has gooten that out of his system and will play a smart game.

Jennings demonstrated last week it can happen to anybody.

If the Packers are going to run up the score James Jones has to have a great game.

[RashanGary]

I can't go back to the old forum, but even in the beginning of this year I remember Patler questioning if Williams really was a quality starter. There were several others too, but he's just one. One of McGinn's scouts said he was a good nickle back, thought he would have been better. That was just this offseason.

None of this proves anything about Jones but I think it does show that people can easily misread the data in front of them. I could be right about Jones. You could be right about Jones. But him not putting up #1 numbers as the 3rd or 4th option on a very talented receiving team doesn't necessarily show what you think it shows. It didn't for Bishop, didn't for Williams. It might for Jones, but I wouldn't jump to that conclusion matter of factly. In some ways Jones is more of a beast than Jennings. Jump ball in the endzone. . . I'd like to see more of that with Jones.

[pbmax]

Williams did show it, two years ago when replacing Harris who was out (spleen). Last year he had a dip while replacing Harris again who was out (no connective tissue between knee and lower leg). While I agree there was a dip for each, Williams flashed earlier, longer and higher before the dip. And Moon's dip has been over for more than a year now.

[RashanGary]

James Jones has started three games this year. He's averaged 83 yards per game and 0.7 TD's per game. Over 16 that would be 1322 yards per season and 11 TD's. To say James Jones has had his opportunies and showed he wasn't number one material is just not true. It's a small sample, but it would be much more honest to say the opposite. Kid's a beast. I'll bet he has an awesome career.

[Brandon494]

Jones is a #2 reciever at best.

[swede]

Jones is a #2 reciever at best.

On average I'll agree because half the time he plays like a #3 and the other half of the time he plays like a #1.

[bobblehead]

What impact did Sanders not fumbling have on his team?

My point about Barber is that he was just as 'dominant' before and after the fumbles. Mostly the difference between early and late in his career was that his receptions went from about 70 to about 50 and the number of carries went way up. He got more opportunities to run because he was dominant in the offense, and they needed him, not because he stopped fumbling.

Let just clarify here - you're saying that 4-5 extra fumbles/year for a guy who has 400 touches should remove him from the great running back conversation?

Just to clarify yes...but its closer to 6 in Petersons case. 5 fumbles more can equate about 1.5 losses if you analyze stats from a bettors standpoint. 10 extra interceptions grades out to 2.4 losses (no, i'm not sure what the difference is, just what the experts tell me, and they are right).

[HarveyWallbangers]

James Jones has started three games this year. He's averaged 83 yards per game and 0.7 TD's per game.

He's started three games and his stats aren't significantly better than Jordy's stats.

I don't quite see what you see. I see a solid player that gets terrific matchups because of the other WRs. He'll get a lot more attention when he goes elsewhere and is a primary guy. He likely won't have a QB that can put it on him like ARod can.

[RashanGary]

We'll see. I like his talent. He has a lot of short area burst and plays physical. I seem him as a guy who if he had more opportunities, he'd be a big time player. I think Jordy is more talented than his numbers too, just not as talented as Jones.