Offensive Line Coaches

[Iron Mike]

What's Jags doing lately?? 'Cuz it seemed to me that the OL didn't suck so badly when he was here, and we actually did cut-block a few teams.

[Smidgeon]

I think a wild card win for Packers come sunday would secure Slocum, as that's the only way Stubby can save his buddy. TT want results and Stubby needs to show more if Stubby wants to keep his group of coaches/buddies. Capers is a TT hire.

How do you know Capers is a TT hire? I could see the scenario where TT encouraged M3 to get the defense in order, but to undermine his head coach and make the hire himself? That wouldn't exactly bode well for an organization that prides itself in being well-run.

[denverYooper]

What's Jags doing lately?? 'Cuz it seemed to me that the OL didn't suck so badly when he was here, and we actually did cut-block a few teams.

He just got fired by the Omaha Nighthawks.

[swede]

He just got fired by the Omaha Nighthawks.

I saw that, and the Boston College thing added badly also. I think there is some real football talent in the guy but he must have some serious personal failings that are getting worse instead of better.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Jags always wanted that better opportunity and was seemingly looking for a way out whenever possible. Want no part of him.

[pbmax]

And you said Chicago ran almost all cover 2. Funny. AR said they mixed it up far more than he thought they would and it was cover 1. They showed a lot of cover 2 presnap though, which is guaranteed to get Rodgers in a bad play and exactly the opposite of what you said Sunday. Like Sunday, I think the truth is exactly the opposite of what you're saying, despite the, so-sure-of-yourself tone.

I am not sure and have said so repeatedly when talking about Xs and Os. But I do know this: I did not claim the Bears mainly Cover 2 in the post above. What I said was then when they disguised a coverage that I saw, they then bailed to a Cover 2. And what they showed first and then bailed out of was Cover 1 (or at least single safety deep). This is what Aikman showed on the broadcast more than once and what Rodgers told Aikman the Bears like to do pre-snap. This was the exact sequence they replayed in the beginning of the game on TV and it was the exact sequence which led to Driver long catch on the TD drive.

As for Rodgers and Cover 1: http://prod.www.packers.clubs.nfl.co...1-fc7df688c1d1

He said specifically they ran it and brought pressure out of it, more than typical. He did not say it was disguised and he did not say they had trouble picking it up or reading it. In fact, a lot of the deep throws were when they stayed in Cover 1. And one of throws were dropped.

In watching all the highlights, I saw one possible case of two deep safety switching to single.

http://prod.www.packers.clubs.nfl.com/media-center/videos/Big-Play-Greg-Jennings/2be80bf4-7ef0-4e8f-92d0-380b315c63ee

Greg Jennings deep catch on the FG drive in the 3rd Quarter. Pre-snap Packers had 3 WRs, 1 TE and 1 RB. TE and RB were in the backfield to block, Bears showing Briggs blitzing over RG. Bears have 2 LB nickel. They are pressing the slot and playing off the outside WRs. At snap, CB on slot blitzes and the safety on that side comes up to defend the slot WR. Its now just single safety, though its unlcear from TV just where the other safety lined up. From the speed of the recovery to the slot WR, he was probably partway in already. The two outside corners bail to play something like Cover 3 (they are retreating deep as fast as they can with eyes still on QB). Briggs backs out to cover the middle. Urlacher waits for the TE/RB to commit then delay blitzes.

Packers pick up the blitzing CB with Jackson and Quarless handles Urlacher. Number 90 retreats from DE to play D's left flat. So Bears are in a 3-3 zone, rushing 5. Jennings cuts off route in front of bailing CB (Aikman calls it a dig route) who slips when he tries to plant. 90 is not deep enough or inside enough to affect throw. Catch and run to one.

[Fritz]

Great thread. I didn't get to see the game, so can anyone tell me about the "completely unnecessary interception" that Rodgers threw? What happened?

[VermontPackFan]

[QUOTE=JustinHarrell;562154]

I'd love it if we made a change, but I'm becoming cynical when it comes to McCarthy. I have little to no hope that he will change the things he struggles in.

How about after we beat the Eagles in Philly this Sunday?

[swede]

Great thread. I didn't get to see the game, so can anyone tell me about the "completely unnecessary interception" that Rodgers threw? What happened?

To me it seemed that Jennings was running some sort of a comeback route. As he came back to the ball he described a looping "U" shape and as he moved upfield again Tillman came back, jumped to the bottom of the "U" and snagged the pass as it was thrown down and away to the right, toward the inside of the field. Something wasn't right about the play, and pocket pressure may have been as much to blame as anything. The route and the pass were not in synch. Tillman made a helluvva play on the ball, as he was completely extended and had a bit of his hand under the ball as he hit the ground. Upon review, the ball jumped like hell as he hit the ground but since they had already ruled the play a completed interception there was not a definitive view to overturn the ruling on the field.

Why was it unnecessary? I don't know. Peprah makes a pick in the end zone and we won anyway so...it's all good.

[vince]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...ks-off-Rodgers

[pbmax]

I don't care who was more qualified when they got the job. Who did better at it. Those football outsiders stats account for efficiency. Some teams run it over and over and over. Other teams are passing teams that run it only to keep defenses somwhat honest. The Titans run it over and over and over. Despite not being as efficient, they are more dominant.

Whatever the case, this guy might not be the guy, but our run game and OL suck and MM needs a run game/OL expert that Philbin is obviously not. Whether he has the qualifications or not, he's failing.

Did the Packer run game suck last year? Were the protection problems due to the line or due to the QB? What about injuries?

If the Packers cannot protect the QB, how did Favre survive his last year in Green Bay with those rookies at guard? How has Grant hit the first three of his incentives in that contract?

While losing Grant has rendered the run game below average, the line and its coaches do not suck. They could not produce the points and time of possession they do if that was the case. To see truly terrible O line play, watch the Rams-Seahawks game again.

Would Munchak and a new system (and new players to run the system) really produce better results next year than a healthy Grant? I say that the odds are very even on that bet. So while I agree that Campen could be improved upon, the short term result might be a complete wash (might be a step back). Which is why this decision would be very tough to make. To be successful, it will come down to McCarthy being willing to run a different run scheme and then look for the best coach regardless of scheme. That would be the only way to upgrade the position with certainty.

[pbmax]

I saw that, and the Boston College thing added badly also. I think there is some real football talent in the guy but he must have some serious personal failings that are getting worse instead of better.

He was also jettisoned from the Buccanears as O coordinator close to the beginning of the season as their coaching staff thought his offensive installation was not NFL caliber.

[Fritz]

Uh, I guess the Pack won't be hiring Jags...

[pbmax]

Uh, I guess the Pack won't be hiring Jags...

Yeah. The Bucs firing was a big slap in the face. "lacked sophistication" and "not equipped" to install an NFL passing offense doesn't sound good.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/03/jagodzinski-not-equipped-to-direct-nfl-offense/

The article basically said they realized Jags knew how to install the ZBS and not much else. Its remarkable that Morris survived his first year. First he was promoted to D Coordinator then HC when 2 or 3 people turned the Bucs down. Then in camp he fires Jags and that same month they fired Jim Bates and reinstalled the Tampa 2.

Now with Josh Freeman, that job looks attractive again. Its a heck of a rebound.

[bobblehead]

At the time, I thought Colledge should have fallen on him, you see that all the time, but I wonder what some of our OL posters think (hear me ND?).

Man, ARod had both Driver to the left (probably impossible for him to see) and Jennings in the middle wide open. A little more effort from Colledge, and you have to think he sees Jennings for six.

I think if College had fallen on him and then an LB rushed up to hit Rodgers when he scrambled you would have been bitching that college was on the ground instead of engaging the LB. You don't want your OL in the habit of laying on one guy as if its his only responsibility in the world. Now, the fair critique is that an OL with a nasty streak would have crushed Tommie when he was about halfway up and there was no one else to engage nearby. Ross Verba likely would have placed a knee right in his facemask as he was getting back up.

As for seeing that all the time, I virtually never see a guy fall on another guy unless it happened as a part of putting him on the ground.