Desmond Bishop Extended!

[swede]

But in what style? Elvis? Madonna? Three Amigos? KGB? Michael Jackson?

Rocky Horror.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hawk is basically the same player he's always been. He didn't magically transform from being below average to good this year. In fact, I think he was even better in years 1 and 2. Then, he fell off just a tad. Not a big drop, but I felt like he bulked up a bit too much. Now, he's sort of gotten back to the level of his first two years. He's been pretty damn consistent since day one. Solid, but unspectacular. He's still that.

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I'm not one to normally laugh at grammer errors, but this one it too good to pass up. thanks for the chuckle red! 1 out of 3 aint bad!

lol, wow

i guess my brain didn't start clickin right away

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I still think someone - Hawk? should stand over his opponent after a tackle & do a hip thrust.

i vote for someone doing this after a sack or big play

[woodbuck27]

Yup !

Barnett's age and injury status of late a factor as well.

[woodbuck27]

Yup !

Barnett's age and injury status of late a factor as well.

Then in 'the real world'.

Mucho money for Hawk.

[MJZiggy]

Rocky Horror.

Perfect!

[Patler]

$10M is a lotta dough for a compensatory pick. Or maybe I should say about $5M, as that's the rough difference between what he's worth, and what he'll make.

If KGB was worth $6.15 million 3-4 years ago, Hawk is worth more than $5M now, a lot more.

I'm not suggesting it be done ONLY for the compensatory pick. Hawk IS the starting linebacker. KGB had been relegated to a hoped for specialist role that he performed poorly the year before. Yet, they still kept him for $6.15M.

[Patler]

Hawk is basically the same player he's always been. He didn't magically transform from being below average to good this year. In fact, I think he was even better in years 1 and 2. Then, he fell off just a tad. Not a big drop, but I felt like he bulked up a bit too much. Now, he's sort of gotten back to the level of his first two years. He's been pretty damn consistent since day one. Solid, but unspectacular. He's still that.

I agree. After his second season, many were saying he was borderline Pro-Bowl, just missing the turnover causing plays. Basically, he is still that. I think he has been a Pro Bowl Alternate last year and this, hasn't he?

[Fritz]

But in what style? Elvis? Madonna? Three Amigos? KGB? Michael Jackson?

Like my dog when he greets your leg.

Or me when I'm dreaming of Drew Barrymore.

[pbmax]

Like my dog when he greets your leg.

Or me when I'm dreaming of Drew Barrymore.

The horny dog. Got it.

[pbmax]

If KGB was worth $6.15 million 3-4 years ago, Hawk is worth more than $5M now, a lot more.

I'm not suggesting it be done ONLY for the compensatory pick. Hawk IS the starting linebacker. KGB had been relegated to a hoped for specialist role that he performed poorly the year before. Yet, they still kept him for $6.15M.

That's the issue though. KGB was not worth the money by that time. First his sack production slipped then he was replaced as a starter by Jenkins. He collected that $6-7 million for two years as a result of inertia (or blind hope). It would have entailed a cap hit to remove him and the available replacement wasn't going to be better (might not be as good). If someone is willing to pay you that amount of money, in a sense that is market value, but I think several other factors had to come into play for the Packers to decide to stand pat.

But as you point out, Hawk has not had the production slip KGB had and is earning a significantly larger portion of his salary.

What is the going market rate for ILB's? Was it Barnett's deal? Or was that below market?

[SkinBasket]

I would love to see Hawk and Bishop in the middle and Matthews and Jones/whoever on the outside.

Barnett is a retard blitzing and he takes more bad angles than Bigby against the run. I don't see him improving in those areas coming off his "injury." If Chillar has proven anything in his time in GB, it's that he should be executed. He's too... bad to do anything good on a consistent basis and he's obviously a weak pussy. Send them as a package deal to Oakland for a 5th and a whiff of Al Davis' taint.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I would love to see Hawk and Bishop in the middle and Matthews and Jones/whoever on the outside.

Barnett is a retard blitzing and he takes more bad angles than Bigby against the run. I don't see him improving in those areas coming off his "injury." If Chillar has proven anything in his time in GB, it's that he should be executed. He's too... bad to do anything good on a consistent basis and he's obviously a weak pussy. Send them as a package deal to Oakland for a 5th and a whiff of Al Davis' taint.

I wouldn't have said it in those exact terms..............but what he said.

[bobblehead]

Chiller is often called the Packers best pass coverage linebacker. I have always looked at that more as an indictment against the ability of the others in pass coverage than as a compliment to Chiller's ability. Chiller strikes me as a guy who SHOULD be good in coverage, but for some reason never really comes up big when needed.

How would you know if he comes up big when needed. Consider that every time he was on the field on 3rd down and you DIDN'T see him get beat he came up big. I think a few people remember him being forced to play safety last season due to Aaron Rouse's ineptitude and when he got beat playing out of position they think he can't cover or something. All I know is that, imo, he is by far the best coverage backer we have. Hawk bordered on atrocious after his rookie year, and don't even make me mention Poppinga. Barnett was average in coverage.