Jarrett Bush

[vince]

Yep. The Packers just need to bet to a point where Bush is your #5 or #6 CB, not your #4. He made some big plays yesterday, but he's still not the guy you want to be bringing in if one of your CB's go down. He's been great on ST teams this year though.

I think this is right. He's a try-hard guy. The Packers need another CB. Lee held up pretty well filling in for Shields on the perimeter. He remains a bit of a mystery.

[Guiness]

Looks like Bush is the new Bigby. Guy makes one good play and suddenly he's indispensable. Too bad no one's here to make a bad photoshop of Jesus with Bush's face.

not just one good play. As Fritz pointed out, there have been a few times when he's downfield before the punt, waiting for it to drop. He was responsible to pinning teams inside their own 5 a few times this year.

[red]

bush didn't really have a great game yesterday. he had the one huge int, but once again he made a lot of mistakes. it sucked we lost 2 cb's and had to rely on him on defense

and BTW, special teams really sucked yesterday. mashtay once again punted well but the coverage teams were pathetic

[bobblehead]

Looks like Bush is the new Bigby. Guy makes one good play and suddenly he's indispensable. Too bad no one's here to make a bad photoshop of Jesus with Bush's face.

No, bush sucks in coverage, bigby is a good player. but I get annoyed at some jackass accusing people of being on crack because Bush couldn't maintain coverage for 7 seconds. That particular play was partly on the pass rush.

I cringe when I see JB on defense, I like him on ST. I am not so stupid as to make over the top statements about a guy that is only on the field because Wood and Shields both went down with injury. I also think if Lee and Underwood can't beat out bush for the dime they need to be cut as they are no JB on ST.

[PA Pack Fan]

Bush is a playmaker.

That's right, he made a play. End of story. Our special teams suck as bad as ever so singing the praises of Bush on ST is a load. You can just be glad he only played a half yesterday.
Sheesh. Sounds like the Harris love thats still perpetuating. Notice we won a bowl...without him.

[Guiness]

No, bush sucks in coverage, bigby is a good player. but I get annoyed at some jackass accusing people of being on crack because Bush couldn't maintain coverage for 7 seconds. That particular play was partly on the pass rush.

I cringe when I see JB on defense, I like him on ST. I am not so stupid as to make over the top statements about a guy that is only on the field because Wood and Shields both went down with injury. I also think if Lee and Underwood can't beat out bush for the dime they need to be cut as they are no JB on ST.

That about sums it up - especially the part about Lee and Underwood.

Bush, our #4 CB was on Ward, Pitt's #1 WR. The Steelers got the mismatch, and took advantage of it.

[Joemailman]

The packers have 69 players under contract right now between the roster and IR. Add in draft picks and maybe a couple of UDFA's, and there will likely be at least 25 players receiving a Super Bowl ring who won't be with he team next September. Hard to imagine Underwood will make it. Lee has a chance if he can ever stay healthy. As Vince said, he's a bit of a mystery. He's running out of chances though.

[Patler]

Do some of you really expect the 4th or 5th CB to be as solid in coverage as the guys he replaced? Bush had some very nice blitzes, an interception, and some effective coverages. He held up in spite of giving up a few plays, and probably did so better than most 4th, 5th or 6th corners would. If you expect more than that from him you are unreasonable.

[Joemailman]

Do some of you really expect the 4th or 5th CB to be as solid in coverage as the guys he replaced? Bush had some very nice blitzes, an interception, and some effective coverages. He held up in spite of giving up a few plays, and probably did so better than most 4th, 5th or 6th corners would. If you expect more than that from him you are unreasonable.

Bush did hold up well yesterday. However, his career has been marked by inconsistency. Is he a better, more consistent player than he was before this year? Maybe, but I'd have to be forced to count on him if one of the top 3 CB's misses significant time with an injury.

[Fritz]

Lookit Patler, tearin' em a new bung hole. He's Patlerizin', he's Patlinatin', he's pattin' em down, Pattin' em with the fist of logic.

Go Patler!

[Joemailman]

Relying on logic is so unimaginative.

[packerbacker1234]

We could do worse.

He's a special teams ace that is vital to that unit (big reason he has that C on his chest). He's not the worst option to come in when two guys ahead of him go down in a game - he has experience with this team and now two years in the system. Do you want him to be the nickle/2nd guy on a game by game basis? No, but we could do A LOT worse for a guy having to come in as an emergency guy. He definitely has "some ability" to play CB, even if overall it's just not good enough a tthe NFL level. It's still good enough fro spot duty, and we saw that last night.

[3irty1]

The fanbase's general opinion on Jarrett Bush is mostly going on reputation at this point. Bush is clearly a special teams ace and is nearly unblockable as a gunner but he has legitimate value on defense as well.

Packer fans have been blessed with way way way above average cornerback play for the this entire decade but more importantly had to suffer through the miserable vanilla man-to-man schemes of Bob Sanders and Jim Bates. Even in Sanders' scheme in 2007 Bush was nearly invisible as a nickelback for stretches as long as 6 games. My take? He was already a gifted special teamer playing as a gunner and the guy who blocks the gunner on the punt units. Those are the positions where press coverage cornerbacks come from. In the new scheme that doesn't man up nearly as often he is evolving into more of a downhill player who can cover the slot and supposedly play safety although I don't think I've ever seen him do it. He's much better in this role. His major weakness has always been that he is absolutely terrible at playing the ball. Sam Shields could be thrown straight into the fire since he had incredible athleticism and excellent ball skills from his days as a WR. The threat to take away the ball is huge and on its own can prevent a team from picking on a corner with ball skills. Bush has very little of such skills and even though he is usually playing in good position with good leverage he can't make plays on the ball. If you throw at Jarrett Bush the worst thing that happens is an incomplete pass. Still, the ability to mirror a receiver is worth something. I'd bet he'll be back next year, possibly with an expanded role on defense with more and more dime being played.

[swede]

Rat1: What'd he call me?
Rat2: Unreasonable.
Rat1: Yeah well he's...a...uh...a moran!

[Fritz]

Rat1: What'd he call me?
Rat2: Unreasonable.
Rat1: Yeah well he's...a...uh...a moran!

Or, as Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon."