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  • So I was looking through old posts...

    A while back, I made a list (below) of what I thought the Packers would have to do going forward to improve the team/stay competetive. I thought it would be interesting to see if I could accurately prognosticate.

    Originally posted by Smidgeon View Post
    Must-Needs:
    * A cornerback because both Woodson and Harris are over 33 and Tramon Williams can only replace one of them. Sam Shields
    * An effective starting WR to take over once DD retires which could be Jordy Nelson or James Jones if either takes a step in the coming offseason or the next season. Still need one
    * Two starting offensive tackles. Bryan Bulaga and...?

    It-Would-Be-Nice-To-Haves:
    * A safety to replace Bigby who--while consistent--doesn't appear to be special. He's solid, but good CBs and Nick Collins can hide his or any other safety's similar limitations. Morgan Burnett (fingers crossed)
    * A RB who at least forces the opposing defenses to account for him on every play, either as a nasty blitz-picker-upper, a receiving threat, or a shifty homerun running threat. Ryan Grant is serviceable and picks up a lot of yards over the year as an under-average used runner, but I don't think he makes defenses account for him on every play. m.a.y.b.e James Starks
    * A kick returner who both is a threat to take it to the house every once in a while, like Blackman, and who isn't going to end up on IR every year, unfortunately unlike Blackman. Still need one

    Icing-On-the-Cake:
    * A third CB like Williams has been the last couple seasons and Harris was early in his career. Someone who doesn't embarrass himself on the field in coverage (see Bush, Jarrett.) Will need one after Woodson retires (please not soon)
    * A stud punter. Tim Masthay
    * Another linebacker, just because. Desmond Bishop and...?
    In one year, by my count TT has put together a team that is going to the Super Bowl by filling 5 of 10 positions, plus adding another TE (Quarless) and DT (Neal) that figure heavily into the future. Which would leave:

    Must-Needs:
    * An effective starting WR to take over once DD retires which could still be Jordy Nelson or James Jones if either takes a step in the coming offseason or the next season. Neither has stepped up, but it could still be Jones if he finds any consistency.
    * One starting offensive tackle. Could be Lang or Newhouse.
    * Another linebacker opposite Matthews. Can we combine Jones, Zombo, and Walden into one player?

    It-Would-Be-Nice-To-Haves:
    * A RB who at least forces the opposing defenses to account for him on every play in one way or another. Could be Starks, but could also not be.
    * A kick returner who is a threat to take it to the house every once in a while. And not Cory Rodgers.

    Icing-On-the-Cake:
    * A third CB like Shields has been this year and Williams has been the last couple seasons. Someone who doesn't embarrass himself on the field in coverage. Not Bush, Underwood, or Lee.

    And I still like Crosby.

    Am I missing anything? What is necessary to ensure this isn't a flash in the pan team?
    No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

  • #2
    At this point I'd say the primary needs are:

    Returner, CB, 2 OL, WR, Maybe QB, Maybe ILB, Maybe OLB

    I can see Thompson starting to trade current picks for future ones.

    I think they're set at RB.
    Last edited by vince; 01-26-2011, 05:58 PM.

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    • #3
      Unless they keep Flynn to the bitter end and lose him in FA, they might need a backup QB next year.

      Guard - they could use a better starter than Colledge, if they keep him; and will need a backup. Could be that they re-sign Spitz to backup at G/C, or McDonald might turn out to be effective. Chances are they will need a body here.

      Center - Wells is awful small (smaller then the roster suggests) and is getting to an age where the size he gives up might start to hurt him. At least he stayed healthy this year. At any rate, they need a backup to groom as his eventual replacement, if nothing else.

      A better travel planner to keep everyone happy?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Patler View Post
        A better travel planner to keep everyone happy?
        And we need a new game-changing freak of a TE without the drama.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Patler View Post
          Unless they keep Flynn to the bitter end and lose him in FA, they might need a backup QB next year.

          Guard - they could use a better starter than Colledge, if they keep him; and will need a backup. Could be that they re-sign Spitz to backup at G/C, or McDonald might turn out to be effective. Chances are they will need a body here.

          Center - Wells is awful small (smaller then the roster suggests) and is getting to an age where the size he gives up might start to hurt him. At least he stayed healthy this year. At any rate, they need a backup to groom as his eventual replacement, if nothing else.

          A better travel planner to keep everyone happy?
          TT doesn't draft guards . He drafts tackles and moves them to guard. I suspect either Newhouse, Bulaga or Lang will be moved to LG next year. Therefore. expect another OT to be drafted this year. I think Spitz is probably gone. I think they're pretty high on McDonald and see him as an eventual replacement for Wells. Now that EDS is back, he could figure in as well.
          I can't run no more
          With that lawless crowd
          While the killers in high places
          Say their prayers out loud
          But they've summoned, they've summoned up
          A thundercloud
          They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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          • #6
            Von Miller or a good pass rushing OLB to pair with Clay would be great. This year's draft has A TON of d-lineman that are top round talent so I wouldn't be surprised at all to see TT get one that falls to him. Still need another T and CB to groom too.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by vince View Post
              At this point I'd say the primary needs are:

              Returner, CB, 2 OL, WR, Maybe QB, Maybe ILB, Maybe OLB

              I can see Thompson starting to trade current picks for future ones.

              I think they're set at RB.
              I hadn't considered this before, but, with the team getting closer to fully stocked, trading for future picks is a possibility.

              Is there a formula for the "interest" a team earns? In other words does this years 4th get traded for the trading partner's 3rd? That would be cool. Or is it more likely that teams swap this year/next year 4ths with a 6th rounder thrown in? That would barely be worth the paperwork.
              Last edited by swede; 01-26-2011, 06:44 PM.
              [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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              • #8
                Typically this year's pick is worth next year's pick one round higher, although they can obviously do whatever makes sense to both parties.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by vince View Post
                  Typically this year's pick is worth next year's pick one round higher, although they can obviously do whatever makes sense to both parties.
                  That's generally the rule, i.e. a 2011 2nd round pick costs you a 2012 first.

                  If you trade away your first round pick for future picks, you generally get a first next year plus additional picks to make up the difference in this year's draft.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                    TT doesn't draft guards . He drafts tackles and moves them to guard. I suspect either Newhouse, Bulaga or Lang will be moved to LG next year. Therefore. expect another OT to be drafted this year. I think Spitz is probably gone. I think they're pretty high on McDonald and see him as an eventual replacement for Wells. Now that EDS is back, he could figure in as well.
                    Spitz was a guard. So was Will Whitticker. They need a guard, but I don't care if he drafts a WR if he is able to play guard.

                    Basically, they need O-linemen at any/all positions, They will always need O-linemen. When you start 5 and keep 9 or 10 there is always room to add one or two, because some will be getting old, or will be injured or will have used up their opportunity without showing enough. Wolf said you have to draft one just about every year, at least for a look.

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                    • #11
                      more/better beef on both sides but especially the o-line. AR's health is the most important thing.

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                      • #12
                        They could use ten picks IMO and they call could make our team

                        Add a KR, CB, S, OLB, two OL, and DL (figuring Cullen Jenkins is leaving for money), maybe a WR, another developmental CB, and a TT gem to boot
                        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
                          That's generally the rule, i.e. a 2011 2nd round pick costs you a 2012 first.

                          If you trade away your first round pick for future picks, you generally get a first next year plus additional picks to make up the difference in this year's draft.
                          In todays game I'm a huge fan of doing this if you draft in the latter part of a round. For instance if we draft 32nd and we can trade a 2nd for next years first its huge. Add to this that many teams the figure to draft late NEXT year end up picking rather early....see Dallas and Minnesota this year.
                          The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
                            They could use ten picks IMO and they call could make our team

                            Add a KR, CB, S, OLB, two OL, and DL (figuring Cullen Jenkins is leaving for money), maybe a WR, another developmental CB, and a TT gem to boot
                            DL? Are you expecting them to keep Green? Or get Jolly back? If they do there isn't a big need even if Jenkins leaves, but an upgrade is always good.

                            Safety? - Remember the name Anthony Levine. I am giving him my nod as a player to watch next year. Call him Patler's "Atlas Herion" nominee for 2011. Should be the kiss of death for him as a player!

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                            • #15
                              The only thing I see the packers needing to do is resign as many of the players they can that are up, and add a new OLB to play opposite clay. I'd be thrilled with a good OL as well, but beyond that we are drafting guys that would have to play very well to get a starting gig. This may be the year TT spends a higher pick on a good return man as well, but I doubt it as serviceable ones can be found in a variety of ways.
                              The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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