IF the Packers win it all should they give a ring to Al Harris ?

[Smidgeon]

I'm not saying it is. And I'm not sure Kampman would be on that level. But what if someone like William Henderson had retired the year before and never got a ring. Someone like Harris was obviously a part of the buildup to getting to this point even if he didn't contribute this year. While there is no requirement to give him one, there's the opportunity be the team to reward people who were part of building this championship. I don't think Kampman should get one because he opted to leave in the offseason. But it was just something I was thinking about.

[steve823]

Exactly. Kampman wanted to leave and left once he became a free agent. Harris wanted to stay despite his injury and age, and worked real heard to rehab and come back only to not play up to expectations. He was also part of our team for a good portion of the year, even if it was on PUP.

[gbgary]

how in the heck did kampman's name come up?

[RUnuts]

You could make an argument that the situation of Al Harris' being on PUP and possibly returning improved the play of the other DB's hoping they wouldn't lose their position.

Or not.

[swede]

You could make an argument that the situation of Al Harris' being on PUP and possibly returning improved the play of the other DB's hoping they wouldn't lose their position.

Or not.

Look here youngster. You shouldn't go around abusing your own posts. Self abuse is frowned upon here.

It leaves too little work for the rest of us and then the union stewards get involved.

[MadtownPacker]

Yeah he should get a ring. He tried to do everything he could to get back on the field for this team.

[Patler]

Exactly. Kampman wanted to leave and left once he became a free agent. Harris wanted to stay despite his injury and age, and worked real heard to rehab and come back only to not play up to expectations. He was also part of our team for a good portion of the year, even if it was on PUP.

No, he wasn't "part of the team". Players on PUP list can not participate in team activities and the league actually checks up on it. Its one of the things they do enforce, to prevent teams stockpiling players at the end of camp. When the team is here, the PUP guys are there. When the team is there, the PUP guys are here. Some guys on PUP have said it is almost eerie how little they see of the team.

Will Blackmon, who was around all through camp, probably spent more time with the team than Harris did this year. Not Harris' fault, but he never was part of the team this year. Ohm and I'm not suggesting that Blackmon deserves a ring, he doesn't.

But how about Mike Montgomery? Filled a 53 man roster spot for 2 1/2 weeks and even suited up for a couple games in October. Does he deserve a ring if they win?

[Patler]

Yeah he should get a ring. He tried to do everything he could to get back on the field for this team.

Will Blackmon did too, didn't he?

[MadtownPacker]

Will Blackmon did too, didn't he?

Unlike all these bitchasses around here I aint scared to call your Mr. Peabody ass out.

Fuck no Will Blackmon dont deserve one. Al Harris did alot for this team for YEARS and he was on the team THIS year. I think he should get one cuz I believe he played a big part in mentoring the youngsters. I think he should get one because has been nothing short of loyal and I bet would have loved to stay on the team if it had been up to him. I would give him one because he returned that TD in OT against Seattle. I would give him one for locking down his sign of the field for years. I would give him one for being a Packer that actually deserves one. Not just because it would be a nice gesture.

I would give him one because he is Al Harris. Why do you feel he shouldn't get one? Should Barnett? Finley? Harrell? get one?

[Joemailman]

No, he wasn't "part of the team". Players on PUP list can not participate in team activities and the league actually checks up on it. Its one of the things they do enforce, to prevent teams stockpiling players at the end of camp. When the team is here, the PUP guys are there. When the team is there, the PUP guys are here. Some guys on PUP have said it is almost eerie how little they see of the team.

Will Blackmon, who was around all through camp, probably spent more time with the team than Harris did this year. Not Harris' fault, but he never was part of the team this year. Ohm and I'm not suggesting that Blackmon deserves a ring, he doesn't.

But how about Mike Montgomery? Filled a 53 man roster spot for 2 1/2 weeks and even suited up for a couple games in October. Does he deserve a ring if they win?

It's my understanding that players on the PUP list can participate in team meetings, they just can't practice with the team. I don't know if the Packers had Al Harris do that, although I suspect they did. It's hard for me to imagine that a rookie like Starks would have been ready to contribute anything this year if he wasn't having contact with the team while on the PUP list.

As for Montgomery, I think any player who was on the active roster during the regular season deserves a ring.

[Patler]

Unlike all these bitchasses around here I aint scared to call your Mr. Peabody ass out.

Ya, you talk tough!

Fuck no Will Blackmon dont deserve one. Al Harris did alot for this team for YEARS and he was on the team THIS year. I think he should get one cuz I believe he played a big part in mentoring the youngsters. I think he should get one because has been nothing short of loyal and I bet would have loved to stay on the team if it had been up to him. I would give him one because he returned that TD in OT against Seattle. I would give him one for locking down his sign of the field for years. I would give him one for being a Packer that actually deserves one. Not just because it would be a nice gesture.

I would give him one because he is Al Harris. Why do you feel he shouldn't get one? Should Barnett? Finley? Harrell? get one?

When was Harris on the team this year?
If Harris had been cut in training camp, would you give him a ring?
Whether or not a guy is placed on PUP is really just luck of timing.
Blackmon was on the TC roster, Harris was not.
Blackmon I believe was on IR for a day or two, Harris was not.

When time came to decide if Harris was on the team, he was released, just as he would have been in camp except for the fact that he was PUP eligible. All the PUP designation did was allow them to delay the decision.

How about the guys that came and went from the practice squad. Should they get rings if the Packers win?

[Lurker64]

One thing that probably merits consideration, how many players would actually want a superbowl ring for a championship season where they didn't actually contribute anything towards the team's success? I mean, free jewelry is great and you can sell that thing for a lot of money... but if you didn't really do anything to earn it, would you really place much value in it?

[Bretsky]

The road to the Super Bowl is a long journey; remember in the Holmgren years that journey seemed so long.

Along that journey some players are core to the success and their positive attitudes, leadership, and helpfulness help improve teammates as well. I picture Al Harris as being that guy.

If I'm the GM I'm not asking around; I'm giving Al Harris a ring

[Patler]

The road to the Super Bowl is a long journey; remember in the Holmgren years that journey seemed so long.

Along that journey some players are core to the success and their positive attitudes, leadership, and helpfulness help improve teammates as well. I picture Al Harris as being that guy.

If I'm the GM I'm not asking around; I'm giving Al Harris a ring

How about KGB? I believe he still lives in the area, unlike Harris who showed up for the seasons and was otherwise gone.

[swede]

How about KGB? I believe he still lives in the area, unlike Harris who showed up for the seasons and was otherwise gone.

Out of simple curiosity, Patler, did the negotiations with your wife over the wedding guest list go this smoothly and last this long? After all, cousin Edgar was technically a third cousin and his family refused to pay the roster bonus after he turned eighteen.