Aaron Rodgers, the most complete Packer QB ever?

[channtheman]

Golly I hate that unctuous, oily, self-impressed loathsome jerk. I rarely can listen for more than a few minutes before I have to tune out, but I did hear him list all of the best young QB's--including AR--and then say that Ben Roethlisburger was the guy you would want to build a young winning team around.

Do you suppose he will rethink, recant, or backpedal?

If I had Skinbasket's way with words I would say very bad mean things about Colin Cowherd.

Very stupid thing to say. You want to build your team around a good QB. Roethlisberger has been a game manager that has pulled some 4th quarter comebacks out of his ass. (I actually only know of Super Bowl XLIII). Every time I watch this guy, he sucks.

Ok, for me, it breaks down this way :
1. Starr : 2-0 in Super Bowls + all the championships before the actual invention of the 'Super Bowl'.
Talk all you wish about the talent of his supporting cast, which varied over the years - but he simply got it done, many times over - never an easy task, ever.
2. Rodgers : 1-0 Super Bowl record. A plus : Rodgers accomplished his Super Bowl season with a team by no means head & shoulders talent-wise above the competition - and in spite of a ridiculous number of injuries. And the handicap of winning game after game on the road is relevant.
3. Favre : Super Bowl record - 1-1. In my opinion, Favre's single championship came only when Ron Wolf had assembled a team around him clearly, talent-wise, superior in the NFL. He also failed to win the next year with the same basic talent against a decided underdog.
In addition, he also had (at least in my opinion) the NFL's most talented team around him last year in Minnesota, and did not bring home the trophy.
If Rodgers stays healthy, I will perhaps have to really start comparing him to Bart.

Interesting stat is that Rodgers in just this postseason, has as many road postseason wins as Favre did his entire career.

[denverYooper]

I don't think Favre had/has a stronger arm than Aaron does now. Seems like an urban legend to me. Don't know how AR could make some of those throws with any more velocity than he does.

The other part of the "streak" is that Favre was scared to take a hit. He'd always throw it away/up for grabs before getting rocked, especially later in his career. Maybe not a bad idea, but it contributed to most of his INTs. Rodgers is too smart for that.

IMO, the Favre vs Rodgers conversation is moot. Favre hasn't done what Rodgers has in a SB/playoffs...

Starr <> Rodgers >>>>>>>> Favre

Agree with pretty much all of that, especially the bold. Favre threw the ball hard but Rodgers has some Bruce Lee shit going on with his throws. His actual arm wind up and delivery is amazingly fast but what always strikes me is how quickly he can use his whole body to load that arm.

[mission]

Agree with pretty much all of that, especially the bold. Favre threw the ball hard but Rodgers has some Bruce Lee shit going on with his throws. His actual arm wind up and delivery is amazingly fast but what always strikes me is how quickly he can use his whole body to load that arm.

Yep, the mechanics are very different. Favre would almost wind up on some of those throws so hard that it added to the effect factor. Rodgers mechanics are so tight and so quick that it allows him to get the ball into tiny windows on a rope; also explains his passing efficiency on the run. Looks effortless, coaching video stuff. He might never have the reputation of having a stronger arm than Favre but that will just be media talk. The dude has a laser!

[Bossman641]

I could not agree with this more. Three weeks ago, he was taking Matt Ryan over Rodgers.

Rodgers put Cowherd in his place the other day.

[The Shadow]

A strong arm + accuracy + GOOD DECISION-MAKING is a hard combo to beat!

[King Friday]

3. Favre : Super Bowl record - 1-1. In my opinion, Favre's single championship came only when Ron Wolf had assembled a team around him clearly, talent-wise, superior in the NFL. He also failed to win the next year with the same basic talent against a decided underdog.

Ron Wolf didn't assemble much of a supporting cast around Favre offensively. Jordy Nelson is better than any receiver Favre had in Green Bay during his MVP era...and he's Rodgers' #3/#4 receiver. That offense would've been among the league's worst with any mere mortal under center. Favre MADE receivers like Freeman and Schroeder look like Pro Bowlers...when in fact they would've been no better than #2/#3 receivers elsewhere, which they quickly found out when they left town. I pin the blame for the SB32 loss more on the defense.

That said, I'm damn glad we have Rodgers...who IMO is the 2nd best QB in the league to Brady right now. Manning's lack of mobility is a major hindrance that knocks him down a notch IMO. Brees doesn't have the accuracy Rodgers has. Rodgers will have the Packers knocking on the door every year for the next 8+ years. He's that good.

[MJZiggy]

I don't think ANYONE could have made Schroeder look like a pro bowler...Maybe God, but Jesus would have had trouble with it.

[Joemailman]

Ron Wolf didn't assemble much of a supporting cast around Favre offensively. Jordy Nelson is better than any receiver Favre had in Green Bay during his MVP era...and he's Rodgers' #3/#4 receiver. That offense would've been among the league's worst with any mere mortal under center. Favre MADE receivers like Freeman and Schroeder look like Pro Bowlers...when in fact they would've been no better than #2/#3 receivers elsewhere, which they quickly found out when they left town. I pin the blame for the SB32 loss more on the defense.

That said, I'm damn glad we have Rodgers...who IMO is the 2nd best QB in the league to Brady right now. Manning's lack of mobility is a major hindrance that knocks him down a notch IMO. Brees doesn't have the accuracy Rodgers has. Rodgers will have the Packers knocking on the door every year for the next 8+ years. He's that good.

Your overall point that Favre did not have great WR's is correct. Ron Wolf has said he wishes he had gotten Favre better receivers. However, Jordy Nelson was not a better receiver than Robert Brooks, and probably not better than Freeman, although time will tell on that one.

[RashanGary]

Favre was a big time regular season stat collector. Rodgers seems like more of a champion. Montana, Starr, Aikman, Brady. . . He has more of that championship game where Favre has more of that Cutler style with the big numbers while losing big games.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Let's not forget that Favre had some great TEs in Chmura and Jackson. He also had a couple of excellent receiving RBs in Bennett and Levens. Favre had really good talent around him in the 2000s. Driver, Walker, and Jennings were all studs. Ahman Green was one of the best RBs in football. For a couple of years the Packers also had the best or one of the best OLs in the NFL.

[HarveyWallbangers]

There's no way Jordy is better than Sterling Sharpe, Robert Brooks, and Antonio Freeman. He actually is probably comparable in a lot of ways to Schroeder.

[pbmax]

How about Dorsey Levens and Edgar Bennett as targets compared to Grant and Jackson?

Brooks WAS Greg Jennings prior to the knee injury. Freeman when young was as good as Driver.

How about a better running game?

Only Finley is truly different and even he could be compared to Jackson.

[LEWCWA]

Favre was a big time regular season stat collector. Rodgers seems like more of a champion. Montana, Starr, Aikman, Brady. . . He has more of that championship game where Favre has more of that Cutler style with the big numbers while losing big games.

This makes very little sense to me. I never thought of Favre that way. frustrating yes, stat collector not so much. At least until he left GB!

[LEWCWA]

Let's not forget that Favre had some great TEs in Chmura and Jackson. He also had a couple of excellent receiving RBs in Bennett and Levens. Favre had really good talent around him in the 2000s. Driver, Walker, and Jennings were all studs. Ahman Green was one of the best RBs in football. For a couple of years the Packers also had the best or one of the best OLs in the NFL.

I think the 2002 team was ready to win it all and the wheels got shot off that team at the end of the season. Just goes to show how you have to be good, plus have things fall your way to win the big one. GB is primed for some runs at this again, but we have all seen that it doesn't always work out. Football is a fickle game....

[vince]

Aaron Rodgers IS the most complete Packer QB ever. He may well be the most complete QB ever. Montana didn't have the arm Rodgers has. Young maybe beats him but Rodgers has a stronger arm than he had too I'd say.

He's far more physically gifted than Starr and we all know about the shortcomings of Favre in terms of his discipline - on and off the field.

Hopefully he can stay healthy and play for 10 more years because he's everything you could want in a QB plus a couple concussions.

It's funny now that people questioned his clutchness. His post-season numbers are unbelievable - much better than his regular season production, which is among the best ever.