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Originally posted by Patler
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Leroy Butler is >>>>>>>>>>John the mouth Randle[QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance. -
Something else you have to look at is the number of Packers and Raiders to get into the HOF. It's the same argument people have with Urlacher. No one knows if he's going to get into the HOF. No rings but a great career. If you compare him to say Ray Lewis, they're pretty much identical, but Ray has a ring. The other thing Ray has? He's on a team with no one in the HOF. Ray Lewis would be the first Baltimore Raven in the HOF and that's the little extra edge that makes him a first ballot contender. Urlacher? Just as good, but there's already a slew of Bears in the HOF. He'll probably eventually get in, but if Kevin Greene or Derrick Thomas isn't in, how could you put in Urlacher before them? Same thing with Woodson. There's already a ton of great Packer and Raider players in the HOF. He's got the hardware, but they're going to ask themselves if someone else deserves it more than he does. He'll get in, but not his first time around.- Once again, adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.Comment
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i don't think the number of players previously inducted should/would have anything to do with it. players shouldn't be penalized by a teams past successes.
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Would Kevin Greene be the first Panther in?"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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The whole system is just broken...No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.Comment
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One thing Woodson has is name recognition in spades over Butler. That's also a factor whether we like it or not (same way players get into the Pro-Bowl). Announcers simply didn't ooze over how Butler played safety and how he impacted the opposing offenses. Woodson gets that love.Originally posted by Patler View Post
Plus, I'll also add in that Safties have a harder time getting in like vince said. Plus Butler never got a DPOTY award either.
Don't get me wrong, I love Butler.All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!Comment
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I've always heard it said that HOF selection has a lot to do with whether a player was the best at his position for the particular era. A lot can always be debated during this process, but when you have a DOPY award, there's really no way anyone could dispute it. It could even be said that, at one point in the player's career, he was not only the best at his position, but better than players at 3-5 other positions in addition to his own.Originally posted by Cheesehead Craig View Post
Woodson has to make it IMO. I'll do whatever I can to go grass roots for his campaign (if needed)!
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Butler didn't get DPOY, but announcers did gush about him. Every game they'd bring that stat about him being the first player to get 20 picks and 20 sacks. Not to mention that he's widely known for having created the Lambeau Leap. He has plenty of name recognition, but it's hard for a safety to make the Hall of Fame.Originally posted by Cheesehead Craig View Post"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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Announcers during games will gush about whoever is on the field (See John Gruden), that's part of their job to sell the game. I'm talking about announcers in the ESPN studios. That's a big difference and the name recognition I'm talking about. Woodson gets the superlatives mentioned with his name and Butler gets the "oh by the way" factiod. Go ahead and ask 10 non-GB fans about Butler and at least 9 if not 10 won't know jack about him.Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
Inventing the Lambeau Leap is wonderful for the GB fans, but what the hell does that have to do with his play on the field?
Butler is a far, far bigger name with GB fans than the rest of the NFL. Again, not hating on the guy at all. He was a fantastic player.All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!Comment
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In addition to Dorsett, Hornung had three (MVP, no OPOTY before 1970s) and Marcus Allen had all four (MVP and OPOTY).Originally posted by Lurker64 View PostComment
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absolutelyTERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWERComment
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