Barnett Refuses to Move?

[Packnut]

the one thing i noticed at family night that i've never seen out of barnett, is hodge was blowing up plays, and getting to the RB before he got accross the line

i think what i'm trying to say is, he looks a lot more aggressive and capable of playing with that aggresion

My memory is'nt that great but I don't remember ever seeing Barnett blow up a RB like hitman did family night.

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As for the notion of trading him, hell no! If we lose one more star player, I will need to take my anger out on someone and it will be TT. If one more of my favorite players leaves this team I will be to pissed off.

but lets say hodge beats him out for MLB sometime this year, or next year, and nick refuses to play anywhere else. that would mean he's the backup and a ST player. would it be worth it to keep a guy on the team with that much trade value who is only a ST player, only to lose him to fre agency after 2007, and get nothing for him?

i'm guessing we can get a 1st or 2nd rounder for him, at least.

You guys are not giving Barnett enough cerdit. I remember mouths ago people were saying how they love Barnett and how hes one of the best line backers in the league, and all of a sudden hodge does good for two weeks in practice and were talking about a trade.

If we keep trading away our first round picks when will we ever be good? Whats the piont of having a young guy develop into a good player and then trade him away, that is retarded.

My whole piont is we should make it work, before talking about trading another young star.

but my point was that IF nick refuses to let it work and he gets beat out. then its better to trade him and get some nice competition rather then just letting him play backup and leave for a huge contract and get nothing in return

i don't think any of us want nick traded, well maybe nutz. but nicks brought it up by saying he won't move outside.

if he gets beat out for MLB and refuses to play outside, then sadley, we really have no use for him

[HarveyWallbangers]

Too funny! This has turned into Barnett sucks again. Barnett is a good player. I don't see the need to keep ripping into him. He's also made for this scheme at MLB. I'd like to see Hodge against other teams before knowing if he's fast enough for this scheme (he ran a 4.79 40). He likely is, but he's hardly proven himself. Plenty of guys have been big hitters who didn't have the speed to start in the NFL. If Hodge can't cover a TE or RB, he won't see the field. I'll withhold judgement until I see a couple of preseason games.

[gbgary]

if hodge is the best man for the middle i think the coaches will put him there and barnett will just have to get his head right with ball. i also think it wouldn't be a big deal to him if it wasn't thrown in his face everyday.

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Too funny! This has turned into Barnett sucks again. Barnett is a good player. I don't see the need to keep ripping into him. He's also made for this scheme at MLB. I'd like to see Hodge against other teams before knowing if he's fast enough for this scheme (he ran a 4.79 40). He likely is, but he's hardly proven himself. Plenty of guys have been big hitters who didn't have the speed to start in the NFL. If Hodge can't cover a TE or RB, he won't see the field. I'll withhold judgement until I see a couple of preseason games.

is it possible that hodge could just drill the rb or TE before they are even able to get down the field?

lol

just a thought, but if he went full bore into a guy going out for a pass i doubt that guy would want to keep going out there

does that count in the 5 yard buffer? can you just destroy a guy?

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I really dont think Barnett is in love with the middle line backer spot, its all about money. In college he play outsude and if we extended his contract with all this money we have, he would have a more open mind.

If TT can give C-Wood 10 mil this year, he can give Nick(a young good player) a contract extention.

[Deputy Nutz]

Too funny! This has turned into Barnett sucks again. Barnett is a good player. I don't see the need to keep ripping into him. He's also made for this scheme at MLB. I'd like to see Hodge against other teams before knowing if he's fast enough for this scheme (he ran a 4.79 40). He likely is, but he's hardly proven himself. Plenty of guys have been big hitters who didn't have the speed to start in the NFL. If Hodge can't cover a TE or RB, he won't see the field. I'll withhold judgement until I see a couple of preseason games.

Well Barnett ran like a 4.75 forty so in straight line speed there isn't much of a difference. Seriously Harv, Barnett is simply not in the mold of a middle linebacker. You said he was taylor made for this defense, well in my opinion Hodge is the one made for this defense. I compare him favorably to Zac Thomas, explosive, tough, and great instincts.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Too funny! This has turned into Barnett sucks again. Barnett is a good player. I don't see the need to keep ripping into him. He's also made for this scheme at MLB. I'd like to see Hodge against other teams before knowing if he's fast enough for this scheme (he ran a 4.79 40). He likely is, but he's hardly proven himself. Plenty of guys have been big hitters who didn't have the speed to start in the NFL. If Hodge can't cover a TE or RB, he won't see the field. I'll withhold judgement until I see a couple of preseason games.

Well Barnett ran like a 4.75 forty so in straight line speed there isn't much of a difference. Seriously Harv, Barnett is simply not in the mold of a middle linebacker. You said he was taylor made for this defense, well in my opinion Hodge is the one made for this defense. I compare him favorably to Zac Thomas, explosive, tough, and great instincts.

Barnett ran a 4.64. At least, that's what's listed on his draft bio on JSO. Are we really going to overhype Hodge before he's even played a preseason game? This sounds like Mike Hawkins from last year. Sure, he could end up being mint, but to compare him to Zach Thomas at this point is a stretch. I would think the coaches would have gotten him into the starting lineup already if he was that impressive. I imagine they'll wait to see what he does in games before determining if they should juggle their LBs. I saw him give up two receptions on two attempts in the passing game during the scrimmage. I'd like him to prove that he's at least adequate in coverage before annoiting him Zach Thomas.

[FritzDontBlitz]

wasn't barnett an outside linebacker in college?

[Packnut]

Barnett

I think the best term that describes Barnett is average. For where he was drafted and the money paid to him, he really has'nt proved he was worth it.

He's had enough time to pick up blitz techniques but he's brutal getting to the QB. He has no instinct for it. However, let's see how his play improves with what should be a solid D line.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Too funny! This has turned into Barnett sucks again. Barnett is a good player. I don't see the need to keep ripping into him. He's also made for this scheme at MLB. I'd like to see Hodge against other teams before knowing if he's fast enough for this scheme (he ran a 4.79 40). He likely is, but he's hardly proven himself. Plenty of guys have been big hitters who didn't have the speed to start in the NFL. If Hodge can't cover a TE or RB, he won't see the field. I'll withhold judgement until I see a couple of preseason games.

Well Barnett ran like a 4.75 forty so in straight line speed there isn't much of a difference. Seriously Harv, Barnett is simply not in the mold of a middle linebacker. You said he was taylor made for this defense, well in my opinion Hodge is the one made for this defense. I compare him favorably to Zac Thomas, explosive, tough, and great instincts.

Barnett ran a 4.64. At least, that's what's listed on his draft bio on JSO. Are we really going to overhype Hodge before he's even played a preseason game? This sounds like Mike Hawkins from last year. Sure, he could end up being mint, but to compare him to Zach Thomas at this point is a stretch. I would think the coaches would have gotten him into the starting lineup already if he was that impressive. I imagine they'll wait to see what he does in games before determining if they should juggle their LBs. I saw him give up two receptions on two attempts in the passing game during the scrimmage. I'd like him to prove that he's at least adequate in coverage before annoiting him Zach Thomas.

Exactly. Before people start talking about trading Barnett how about seeing how this guy can play against some of the starting QBs in the league in live action.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I really do hope Hodge is another Zach Thomas. That would be mint. Then, I'd say move Barnett and don't worry about his feelings. I just have to see more of Hodge before making this call. I'm thinking the coaches are feeling the same way.

[Rastak]

As for the notion of trading him, hell no! If we lose one more star player, I will need to take my anger out on someone and it will be TT. If one more of my favorite players leaves this team I will be to pissed off.

but lets say hodge beats him out for MLB sometime this year, or next year, and nick refuses to play anywhere else. that would mean he's the backup and a ST player. would it be worth it to keep a guy on the team with that much trade value who is only a ST player, only to lose him to fre agency after 2007, and get nothing for him?

i'm guessing we can get a 1st or 2nd rounder for him, at least.

If he refused to play he'd get suspended. He'd most likely play then leave via free agency.

[HarveyWallbangers]

wasn't barnett an outside linebacker in college?

He was also a safety in college. Apples to oranges. Different schemes. Fast MLBs are a must in this scheme, and it doesn't really matter how big they are. At least, that's what the defensive coaches state.

[Packnut]

Barnett

Yep, no way they can make that move now. Hitman is gonna need some time.