Super Bowl win opens flood gates....

[LEWCWA]

If this is in reference to comments (including mine) in the thread "Packers fans will forgive Favre, but when will Rodgers?" I think you criticism is misplaced. No one went out of their way to criticize Favre, just offered their commentary on a published article. Isn't that what we do here a lot of the time?

You say you will not bash Rodgers to prop up Favre, but yet you state, "Make no mistake, Aaron Rodgers is as cocky and self centered as the rest. I would suggest being very careful about crowning this guy, like most did with Favre." Do you really know Rodgers well enough to state that as fact? Isn't that bashing Rodgers to prop up Favre?

What you apparently want is no mention of Favre at all, but that isn't likely to happen for a long time, especially since the national media won't leave it alone.

I don't look at that cockiness as a bad thing. I think it is part of being exceptionally successful. As far as other things mentioned like the Favre thread disappearing, it has because he is being discussed in plenty other threads on the first page, seemingly without impunity we had before. Also, I don't care if the whole front page is about Favre. If thats what people want to discuss so be it. I just don't understand why you have to hate one to be a fan of the other. Not directed at you Patler. My feelings about players end on the field these days, if I judged athletes in any other way I probably wouldn't be a fan of any sports. Athletes are greedy self-centered pricks, managed by professionals to come off as loveable! Just my opinion

[RashanGary]

When Rodgers left Butte, he had a humble, loveable attitude. I don't think anyone coached him up on that.

[LEWCWA]

For how many years did people who questioned Favre's play get ganged up on for their idiocy. Favre brought this team back to relevance. Without him, we are right back to the 70's and 80's. Well, it all shows now as utter BS. A great GM will build a winner regardless of who teh QB is when he steps through the front door. He'll draft one, trade for one and build an all around winner around whoever teh QB is. Bill Polian took the Bills to 4 SBs, then went to Indy and took a perennial loser and made them a perennial winner. Scott Pioli went from NE where he had a perennial winner to teh Chiefs and now transformed them from garbage to excellent.

Bob Harlan changed the way football operated in Green Bay. He found Ron Wolf and gave him complete control. Wolf built winners. With our without Favre, we had winners in Green Bay. Then he made a mistake with Sherman, but Sherman rode out Wolf's roster, depleted it and was fired. Harlan's last brilliant move was hiring TT. With or without Favre he was going to build a winner. With our without Rodgers he'll have a winner. Give a great personnel guy complete control and he will build a winner. That is Harlan's legacy.

All of the adoration and credit the Favre fans give to Favre for bringing this organization back to relevance, that belongs with Bob Harlan.


And when he left he made sure to pass down to a successor who believes in the same vision. As long as teh Packers find the best football guy to build the football team, they will be winners. Because we don't have an owner, that is very likely to be the case.


Bottom line, we were told how much we were going to miss taht guy for 10 years so now that he's gone, like many of us expected, we could care less taht he's gone. . . . Yeah, it feels good. And then there's teh matter of having a QB who's playing better. Yeah, we had one guy were were supposed to believe was god in a Packer uniform for 16 years. To have a guy outplaying him is news. The legit part of Favre's legacy is his durablity and hwo long he played. How great he was, he might be the most overrated player in the history of the NFL.

That is a strong opinion, but flawed in my opinion. A great QB goes a long way to building a championship type team. You speak as if great QB's just fall off trees. I don't think that is the case! Hell the Bears have been looking for one forever! I will agree that Harlen, Wolf, Holmgren, etc... deserve much credit for what happened in GB, but make no mistake BF was a huge part of it as well. Just like Rodgers is a huge part of why this team won the Super Bowl.

[LEWCWA]

When Rodgers left Butte, he had a humble, loveable attitude. I don't think anyone coached him up on that.

bullshit, part of the reason Rodgers fell in the draft was NFL people thought he was too arrogant for his own good!

[RashanGary]

Offense 40%
Defense 40%
ST's - 20%


Breaking the offense down further

WR's/TE's - 25%
RB's/FB's - 25%
OL - 25%
QB - 25%

So the QB is a big part of the offense, 25% of 40% or 10% total.

Brett Favre had a 10% impact on that 96 team. The other 90% was already great. Anyone who suited up would have won a lot of games. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson or Jay Cutler could have won with that team. He was not a hero, LEWCWA, he was a physically gifted player with a mentally stunted game that you related to in some way, but he was not as big of a part as you think.

We'll win without Brett. We're better without him. That's a fact. Deal with it.

[LEWCWA]

I hope GB wins 4 or 5 super bowls under Rodgers, but if they do that doesn't undermine the things Favre did, in my opinion. It only adds to GB Packer history, and props Arod up as one of the best ever. On the other side of it, if this is Arod's only super bowl win he will still go down as a great Packer QB.

[billy_oliver880]

bullshit, part of the reason Rodgers fell in the draft was NFL people thought he was too arrogant for his own good!

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http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110202/PKR01/110202186/How-Rodgers-fell-to-the-Packers-in-2005

[LEWCWA]

Offense 40%
Defense 40%
ST's - 20%


Breaking the offense down further

WR's/TE's - 25%
RB's/FB's - 25%
OL - 25%
QB - 25%

So the QB is a big part of the offense, 25% of 40% or 10% total.

Brett Favre had a 10% impact on that 96 team. The other 90% was already great. Anyone who suited up would have won a lot of games. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson or Jay Cutler could have won with that team. He was not a hero, LEWCWA, he was a physically gifted player with a mentally stunted game that you related to in some way, but he was not as big of a part as you think.

We'll win without Brett. We're better without him. That's a fact. Deal with it.

GB has already won without Brett, so what, that doesn't mean he was some hack....if you are right why not trade Rodgers right now for a couple 1st round picks and win with Flynn, since the QB has little bearing on the success of the team.

[red]

its an interesting question as to weather favre brought us out of the stone age

packers drafted mark brunell in 1993, he or don majikowski probably still would have been the qb when the packers went to the super bowl in 96 and 97. now for those 2 super bowls we had either the top defense or the second best defense in the nfl and were just downright dominate.

now brunell was never favre, but its an interesting question to ask if a mark brunell led packers still could have made those super bowls with that killer D and awesome special teams.

we may not have gotten to the super bowls or won them, but i don't think we would have been a complete joke either. we would have at least been a solid playoff team without favre

[RashanGary]

I hope GB wins 4 or 5 super bowls under Rodgers, but if they do that doesn't undermine the things Favre did, in my opinion. It only adds to GB Packer history, and props Arod up as one of the best ever. On the other side of it, if this is Arod's only super bowl win he will still go down as a great Packer QB.

It definitely undermines the suggestion that Favre was the reason we won. He's gone, we don't even miss him. We have a shitty OL, no RB and no receiver who's a star. Jennings made his first probowl, that's teh only guy we have out there and BF had Sharpe, Freeman, Driver. . . He always had a probowler. AR ripped it up like Brett could never do. Oh yeah it deminishes Favre. We always said the players sucked around him. Now maybe it really was him sucking ass all those playoff games. Funny how AR's receivers rarely run the wrong route. So yeah, this proves we didn't and don't need him. Already replaced him.

[LEWCWA]

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http://packersnews.greenbaypressgaze...ackers-in-2005

Fluff piece, big damn deal. I remember reading plenty of articles about how cocky and arrogant Rodgers was.

[Lurker64]

Fluff piece, big damn deal. I remember reading plenty of articles about how cocky and arrogant Rodgers was.

Could you be so kind as to produce one? The internet has a long memory, and if "plenty" of such articles exist (and I somehow missed them), you really shouldn't have trouble producing a handful.

[LEWCWA]

It definitely undermines the suggestion that Favre was the reason we won. He's gone, we don't even miss him. We have a shitty OL, no RB and no receiver who's a star. Jennings made his first probowl, that's teh only guy we have out there and BF had Sharpe, Freeman, Driver. . . He always had a probowler. AR ripped it up like Brett could never do. Oh yeah it deminishes Favre. We always said the players sucked around him. Now maybe it really was him sucking ass all those playoff games. Funny how AR's receivers rarely run the wrong route. So yeah, this proves we didn't and don't need him. Already replaced him.

This doesn't even make sense, it has been mentioned by people in the know that GB has probably the best wr corps in the league, plus i've heard plenty of kudos going out to GB's OL. Personally, I have never thought Favre played with a lack of talent! Hell I was such a homer I thought Billy the kid was OK! Plus I saw plenty of plays this year, where either the wr ran the wrong route or Rodgers was wrong, but that happens in the NFL all the time. rec. and QB have to read the same thing, because the read determines the route.

[LEWCWA]

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/11/20/the-49ers-fateful-choice-my-aaron-rodgers-or-alex-smith-column-from-april-2005/

[sharpe1027]

I for one will not bash Brett to prop up Aaron and I will not bash Aaron to prop up Brett.

I agree, Aaron needs no propping up given he just got MVP of the superbowl. We can bash Brett without any motive other than our dislike for a player that has made it abundantly clear that he wanted the Packers to lose.