Cam Newton is Black!

[swede]

Fred.

Dean had a Great Dane that thought he was a dachsund, a darned Siamese cat, and a conflicted VW Beetle.

[easy cheesy]

Flubber....was that Fred or Dean Jones?

I believe it was Deacon Jones....

[SkinBasket]

For fuck's sake, we just can't have a conversation about racist black people without you guys screwing it all up, can we?

[Zool]

Hah! If I'm up for the last slot in Graduate school, and so is anybody of another race, if we have equal or close to equal C.V.'s, GRE scores, and GPA's the "minority" will get the last spot, regardless of anything else (interviews). That's just how it is.

I understand what affirmitave action tried to create, but in this day in age all it does is allow colleges to call themselves "culturaly diverse" and get extra government money for it.

Yeah but you ruined my joke about stereotypes...dammit

[mraynrand]

These two are getting along just fine..........and the black girl and white girl seem to be friends too.

http://www.twitvid.com/WPIPK

Doin' it dougie-style!

[Pugger]

Do some research before you make dumbass statements. Do you even know what Moon had to go through to get a shot in the NFL? Warren Moon a racist, give me a fucking break.

I'm not talking about what he went thru. I know he was a wonderful QB who was treated like crap by the NFL. I was talking about people who bring up the race card if anyone has the audacity to criticize a black athlete, nothing more. That kind of behavior is racist.

[SkinBasket]

That kind of behavior is racist.

I'm sure it's not racist, just prejudiced... based on skin color.

[Tarlam!]

What I find interesting is that it's legal to fly the Confederate flag in the USA (freedom of speech etc,). In Germany, after the nazis were removed from power, legislaters made it a punishable offense to have any nazi memorabilia whatsoever. If you flew a nazi flag here, you'd be jailed.

I draw the comparison because both regimes' respective acts created incredible traumas, wars, etc. The big difference is that the nazis left a traumatized German population as well that lasts to this day. While it's common to see the Star Spangled Banner flown in every second garden in the USA, the only time a German feels comfortable demonstrating patriotism openly is during the World Cup.

[SkinBasket]

The confederacy was like consensual incest and the nazis were more like anal rape, so they're totally different.

The American Civil War wasn't just about slavery. There were other issues, which we are still debating today, which were valid reasons for the south to tell the north to go fuck themselfs, including one that is very much under assault under this totalitarian statist administration, which is states' rights. The north already had the economic power, was looking to expand their political power on the federal level, and the idea of abolishing slavery only threatened to widen those gaps.

So, outside of that whole slavery thing, there were honorable and valid motives for declaring their succession, even if it meant being subjugated by force as a result.

World domination and genocide aren't quite as sympathetic reasons for warfare, even if it was a bit the international community's fault for oppressing the German people for so long after that first dust up over there.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Lol thread over. I can't believe you compared the Nazi party with the Confederacy, Tarlam.

Skin's comment is sufficient in explaining this...

Sadly, coming from the south, some rednecks love to fly the rebel flag while not really knowing the reasons behind it.

[Brandon494]

I'm not talking about what he went thru. I know he was a wonderful QB who was treated like crap by the NFL. I was talking about people who bring up the race card if anyone has the audacity to criticize a black athlete, nothing more. That kind of behavior is racist.

Umm pretty sure that's not racist for Moon to have those thoughts after hearing some of the same criticisms when he was coming out of college.

[Tarlam!]

even if it was a bit the international community's fault for oppressing the German people for so long after that first dust up over there.

You're the first non German I've met thatactually knows this or acknowledges it. The Germans are still ashamed, though, for what their fathers and grandfathers did.

Thanks for the heads up on the civil war, too!

[easy cheesy]

The confederacy was like consensual incest and the nazis were more like anal rape, so they're totally different.

The American Civil War wasn't just about slavery. There were other issues, which we are still debating today, which were valid reasons for the south to tell the north to go fuck themselfs, including one that is very much under assault under this totalitarian statist administration, which is states' rights. The north already had the economic power, was looking to expand their political power on the federal level, and the idea of abolishing slavery only threatened to widen those gaps.

So, outside of that whole slavery thing, there were honorable and valid motives for declaring their succession, even if it meant being subjugated by force as a result.

World domination and genocide aren't quite as sympathetic reasons for warfare, even if it was a bit the international community's fault for oppressing the German people for so long after that first dust up over there.

Lol thread over. I can't believe you compared the Nazi party with the Confederacy, Tarlam.

Skin's comment is sufficient in explaining this...

Sadly, coming from the south, some rednecks love to fly the rebel flag while not really knowing the reasons behind it.

I concur with the aformentioned. Succint and on point to Skin and to TPB- I hail from the South myself and unfortunately know all too well of the rednecks flying the Confederate Jack with nary a clue.

[Brandon494]

The Confederate flag is also tied in with the KKK who obviously share similarities*with the Nazi party so I see what point Tarlam was trying to make.

[easy cheesy]

There are other dissenting opinions out there... such as this one....

The purpose for writing this article to begin with was a response of sorts to the constant attack on Southern symbols, especially the Confederate Battle flag. It is being removed from monuments, displays, and all kinds of public events. Most often, the reason behind the removal of the flag design, is because it represents hate, and/or is considered a racist symbol. The most common behind such comments, is because the flag has been used and is often associated with the beliefs, acts and deeds of the Ku Klux Klan, as well as other hate type groups. So, because such hate groups use the symbol, it is now a racist symbol of hate. So, what exactly is a racist symbol? What exactly is it that makes a symbol represent racism and hate?
It appears that in making this determination in these modern times, there is a definite double standard being applied, probably most often in ignorance, maybe sometimes blatantly. Of course my purpose here is centered around the one symbol, the Confederate Battle Flag design. What does it actually stand for? Where did it come from? Why has it now become a symbol of racism and hate to so many?




Many will say it is a symbol of racism, because it represents the South, who fought a war to preserve slavery, and slavery is racist, therefore their symbol is racist. Well, I won't spend any time proving this, since there is so much information out there that sets this record straight, but let me make a few statements:

• The "Civil War" was not started nor fought over slavery!
• The flag does not represent a "pro-slavery" position, but a pro-American, pro-Constitution position
• Slavery was legal in the US from 1776 to 1865, under the US flag...not the Battle flag
• The CSA Constitution made the slave trade illegal (in the South) before the war even started
• All slaves brought to America were done so by Northern ships, not Southern ones

So if the war was not fought over slavery, then the flag therefore cannot represent a racist agenda. On top of that, slavery was not limited to the black race, there were blacks, indians, and even whites who were slaves; so the claim of racism against any one people group (most commonly only the African Americans) is even more ridiculous.

WE DEMAND CONSISTENCY - NOT HYPOCRISY
Now, you take a symbol as beloved as that, one that both white and black southerners have loved for over a century after it's introduction, and it gets abused it for a relatively short period of time (a mere decade or two), and it all of a sudden no longer represents it's true meaning, but the meaning miraculously changes practically over night?! What it has meant for over a century is thrown out the window for what it has been used for over a few decades of time?

If we are going to base our views on what these symbols mean strictly by how they have been misused, then the opponents to the Confederate Battle flag have been barking up the wrong tree. This symbol has supposedly become a symbol of hate and racism, mainly due to it being adopted by the modern day Ku Klux Klan and others "racist" and "hate" type groups. The odd and inconsistent thing is, that of all the symbols these type groups have used, the only one we see under attack is this Confederate flag. Why is this?

The USA flag (Union flag), the glorious stars and stripes flown everywhere to this day, has been the very symbol used in more atrocities, than ever to this date the Confederate Battle flag has. However, we can thank the modern liberal views of Hollywood and TV for the fact that we have forgotten the not-too-distant past in this regard.
Would it surprise you to find out, that up until sometime in the 1960's, the US Stars and Stripes alone was the dominant flag proudly displayed by the Ku Klux Klan. To this day, the various branches of the fragments KKK group still proudly display and fly the US flag as their symbol. You will notice in the photo section below, that even in the more modern dated photos, and even to this day, the KKK still carry the US flag, sometimes in addition to the Confederate Battle Flag, but often times they still exclusively use only the US Flag. I was told via email to a KKK web contact that the group began flying the Confederate Flag during the civil rights movement, due to the fact that they felt they had been betrayed by the USA Government, and that some groups still fly the US flag upside down in protest.

Many try to say the Confederate Battle flag made a huge public resurgence in the 1960's due only to protests to the civil rights movement. While it is true that some groups like the Klan began using it during the period of the late 1960's and early 1970's, what their hate has blinded them from, is realizing the fact that there was a larger resurgence in it's use in 1961-1965 due to it being the centennial celebration of the the War of Northern Aggression.

My main question here is: If the Union flag was used from the earliest days of the KKK (later 1800's) until they started adding in the use of the Confederate flag in the 1960's, then why is the flag they have used for only 30+ years, become the only one in dispute and so hated, and not the US flag which they have used for three times longer, and still use to this day? Also, since historically, the KKK was much more violent in the early to mid 1900's than they have been in the last few decades (becoming in most places more of just a "white only" club...with less violent acts...generally), and since obviously more atrocities occurring under their use of the Union banner...why the focus on the Confederate Battle flag so much? For the sake of being consistent, when are we...in the name of peace and race relations ... going to remove all the Union flags that the Klan has committed many more atrocities under over the years? If the Klan's use of the Confederate Battle flag makes it then a symbol of hate and racism, then their use of the US flag must mean the exact same thing. You can't have it one way and not the other. Consistency, not hypocrisy please.

THE STARS AND STRIPES: A SYMBOL OF HATE
Another point about the Union flag: American slavery was originated, promoted, enforced, and traded under the Union flag. That being the case, why is only the Confederate Battle flag design condemned for slavery (most do not realize the South never sent a single ship from it's docks in the slave trade...all slave trading by American ships, came from northern ports). Also considering that slavery was still taking place in the North DURING the war of northern aggression (Grant's family owned slaves during the war...Lee's did not!), then why is the Union flag not attacked even more?

Was it not the Union flag that flew over each and every violation and treaty made between our government and the Indians? Was it not the US flag that flew over each and every household in both the North and South during slavery before the war ... before there was even a Confederate Battle flag? Was it not this same US flag that flew over the house of the many Negro who themselves owned slaves, both black and Indian, in both North and South? If you want a flag that represents slavery to a larger degree ... covering a larger period of American history...go after the US Star and Stripes.

If one wishes to attack the Confederate Battle flag, based on the idea that it represented the Southern States, which fought a bloody war to preserve the institution of slavery...then they are wallowing in ignorance over the very meaning and overall concern of the war. Until they learn the truth behind the Confederate Flag and the War itself, they will continue to harbor hate and anger toward the South ... making them to be the cause of most of the divisiveness and hate crimes.



Not that I agree verbatim.... just saying that there are several different ways to view things... I try to stay open to that notion...