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Wasn't aware MM coached defense. Let's be real MM is a good coach but having a QB like Rodgers and Capers running the defense how well of a job did he really do? Top 5 HC? Don't think so. He just has a top 5 GM, QB, and Defensive Coordinator to make him look better than he actually is? Ask yourself this question, if you had to get rid of one guy would it be ARod, TT, MM, or Capers? I think you already know what my answer is.Originally posted by Patler View PostFor the same reason, Reid is too high. He has been consistently good, but what "great" performance has he had? He has had very good teams, but about a .500 playoff record. One SB appearance is a plus, but no SB wins.
Looking back at it, for the Packers under MM to continually improve and be playing their best at the very end of the season, while losing more and more players including in the SB itself, was really a masterful performance.
If someone had told me the Packers would play with Bush and Lee as the 2nd and 3rd CBs for over half the game against the Steelers, I would have expected 40 points from Big Ben. MM had the team believing in itself no matter who was lost.
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With Flynn in the wings? C'mon man! Easy answer.Originally posted by Brandon494 View PostWasn't aware MM coached defense. Let's be real MM is a good coach but having a QB like Rodgers and Capers running the defense how well of a job did he really do? Top 5 HC? Don't think so. He just has a top 5 GM, QB, and Defensive Coordinator to make him look better than he actually is? Ask yourself this question, if you had to get rid of one guy would it be ARod, TT, MM, or Capers? I think you already know what my answer is.
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Last year was a known rebuilding year for the Pats. Despite being favored and losing to the Jets, they overarchieved like crazy last season and have like a million early draft picks this year to continue loading. I would rank last year as a positive for hoody and the Pats considering they retooled their entire defense. Expectations will be higher this year, but you can't blame their young inexperienced defense for folding in a tough playoff match last year.
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Here's one reporters opinion. Just another thought, and one with which I--for the most part--agree.
Vic, regarding Coach McCarthy being a play-caller that is “scary,” is that scary good or scary bad?
Vic: If you’re a Packers fan, it’s scary good. Coach McCarthy has a special aptitude for offense and, make no mistake about it, today’s game is about offense. We are in the midst of a revolution in the game like I have never seen. Yeah, we experienced a similar movement in the early-1980s, right after the rules changes of 1978 opened up the field and gave birth to the “West Coast offense” and “Air Coryell” movements, but defense soon found a way to deal with those strategies and balance was restored to the game. I don’t think that’s going to happen this time. I think we’re in an offensive explosion that is going to continue. I think we’re heading for Arena League-type scores. The days of batter-ball are over. Football is all about offense now. It’s about play count and scheme and play-calling. It’ll always be players first and plays second because plays can’t work if they’re not executed by players, but it’s plain to see that today’s game promotes and rewards the execution of a high-tech strategy more than it does the execution of a baseline strategy, and that’s why you need a head coach who either is the creator of a high-tech strategy and approach or demands it from his offensive staff. The Packers have that guy.No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.
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Good point. MM created the offense that is enabling Rodgers to be so successful.Originally posted by Smidgeon View PostHere's one reporters opinion. Just another thought, and one with which I--for the most part--agree.
Vic, regarding Coach McCarthy being a play-caller that is “scary,” is that scary good or scary bad?
Vic: If you’re a Packers fan, it’s scary good. Coach McCarthy has a special aptitude for offense and, make no mistake about it, today’s game is about offense. We are in the midst of a revolution in the game like I have never seen. Yeah, we experienced a similar movement in the early-1980s, right after the rules changes of 1978 opened up the field and gave birth to the “West Coast offense” and “Air Coryell” movements, but defense soon found a way to deal with those strategies and balance was restored to the game. I don’t think that’s going to happen this time. I think we’re in an offensive explosion that is going to continue. I think we’re heading for Arena League-type scores. The days of batter-ball are over. Football is all about offense now. It’s about play count and scheme and play-calling. It’ll always be players first and plays second because plays can’t work if they’re not executed by players, but it’s plain to see that today’s game promotes and rewards the execution of a high-tech strategy more than it does the execution of a baseline strategy, and that’s why you need a head coach who either is the creator of a high-tech strategy and approach or demands it from his offensive staff. The Packers have that guy.All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!
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Well, isn't a head coach responsible for hiring assistants? After all the shit we gave MM about Slocum and Campen, why shouldn't he get credit for hiring Capers? Secondly, didn't many teams shy away from Rodgers in the draft (24 of them did) in part because they didn't like Rodgers's release point and that he was a "Tedford QB"? So didn't MM coach him up?Originally posted by Brandon494 View PostWasn't aware MM coached defense. Let's be real MM is a good coach but having a QB like Rodgers and Capers running the defense how well of a job did he really do? Top 5 HC? Don't think so. He just has a top 5 GM, QB, and Defensive Coordinator to make him look better than he actually is? Ask yourself this question, if you had to get rid of one guy would it be ARod, TT, MM, or Capers? I think you already know what my answer is.
By your rational, Mike Tomlin deserves no credit, and if fact, it's hard to say whether by your reasoning any of the head coaches on that list should get any credit at all."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Well said. You and Vic nailed it, although I think Vic maybe went a bit too far. You have to be able to stop passing attacks too to win.Originally posted by Fritz View PostWell, isn't a head coach responsible for hiring assistants? After all the shit we gave MM about Slocum and Campen, why shouldn't he get credit for hiring Capers? Secondly, didn't many teams shy away from Rodgers in the draft (24 of them did) in part because they didn't like Rodgers's release point and that he was a "Tedford QB"? So didn't MM coach him up?
By your rational, Mike Tomlin deserves no credit, and if fact, it's hard to say whether by your reasoning any of the head coaches on that list should get any credit at all.
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McCarthy lead his team to the NFC Championship in 2007, but that was all Faver. Super Bowl win in 2010, but that's all Rodgers and Capers. Funny how it keeps being everyone but him.Originally posted by Fritz View PostWell, isn't a head coach responsible for hiring assistants? After all the shit we gave MM about Slocum and Campen, why shouldn't he get credit for hiring Capers? Secondly, didn't many teams shy away from Rodgers in the draft (24 of them did) in part because they didn't like Rodgers's release point and that he was a "Tedford QB"? So didn't MM coach him up?
By your rational, Mike Tomlin deserves no credit, and if fact, it's hard to say whether by your reasoning any of the head coaches on that list should get any credit at all.
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That question did make me stop and think. Is it possible to be a top 5 head coach, but only be the third or fourth most important individual on the team? Maybe.Originally posted by Brandon494 View PostAsk yourself this question, if you had to get rid of one guy would it be ARod, TT, MM, or Capers? I think you already know what my answer is.
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Capers is the clear choice to me. Defenive Coordinator is the least important position listed, and if our defense keeps it up, he'll be gone soon anyway. He wasn't thought of as a super genius this time last year, after Warner and the Cards destroyed his defense for 45 points in regulation while Capers looked like he was asleep in the skybox.Originally posted by sharpe1027 View PostThat question did make me stop and think. Is it possible to be a top 5 head coach, but only be the third or fourth most important individual on the team? Maybe.
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Really? Did I say the guy sucked as a HC? I just don't think he's top 5. How many times last year did we question his clock management skills or play calling on short yardage plays. Also being a HC is more than about play calling. Don't know why you mentioned Tomlin but dude has been in the SB two out of his 4 years at HC and he's the youngest SB winning coach in NFL history. Would take him in a heart beat over MM. Why? Because he has that IT factor you look for in a coach. MM is top 10 IMO which last time I checked aint half bad.Originally posted by Fritz View PostWell, isn't a head coach responsible for hiring assistants? After all the shit we gave MM about Slocum and Campen, why shouldn't he get credit for hiring Capers? Secondly, didn't many teams shy away from Rodgers in the draft (24 of them did) in part because they didn't like Rodgers's release point and that he was a "Tedford QB"? So didn't MM coach him up?
By your rational, Mike Tomlin deserves no credit, and if fact, it's hard to say whether by your reasoning any of the head coaches on that list should get any credit at all.Last edited by Brandon494; 04-07-2011, 07:37 PM.
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