ESPN's Power Rankings of Head Coaches

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Might want to go and check the losses Reid and Tomlin had to deal with this season as well.

Why don't you show us, instead of just saying that?

We all know about the losses McCarthy had to deal with- an NFL high 15 guys on Injured Reserve including 6 starters and both the focal guy in our running game and the main target in our passing game, Matthews and Jenkins missed time and were gimpy, Rodgers missed time, Driver, Woodson, and Shields went down in the Super Bowl, 13 of 22 opening day starters missed a total of 86 combined games...

Now fill us in on how Reid and Tomlin's personnel losses stack up in comparison. If you count both teams together, do they add up to as many player losses as the Packers had?

[Gunakor]

Might want to go and check the losses Reid and Tomlin had to deal with this season as well.

Reid and Tomlin didn't win the Super Bowl after the the losses they dealt with this season. Both were handed their final defeat at the hands of the injury plagued crew McCarthy was leading.

Now since ARod had a great playoff run it somehow moves him above coaches who have more wins and SB appearances?

Well, in the scope of power rankings, yes. Power rankings should pay no consideration to past accomplishments. It's a ranking specific to the day the list is posted.

That aside, while AR had a great run and deserves his share of the credit for it's success, he still runs plays put in the playbook and called on the field by MM. AR is just a quarterback. His success is determined by the position his head coach puts him in. A star QB will run a terrible offense developed by a terrible head coach to perfection and lose. An average QB in a stellar offense developed by a genius can make mistakes and still win. Matt Flynn nearly decapitated the giant that is Tom Brady in Foxboro, remember?

And, really, that game illustrates a point I made in my earlier post - improvising a scheme on the fly that will yield results given the healthy players left on the roster, and getting your players to buy into that. At the time we had just come off the most embarrassing loss of the season in Detroit, our starting and only proven QB was in street clothes, and we were playing in a venue no visitor has walked away victorious from in forever. How the fuck were we even in that game? What happened was MM outcoached the Hoodie and we nearly stole a victory we had no shot at given the circumstances. Then rattled off 6 straight wins in elimination games to bring home the hardware. Rodgers gets credit for Rodgers' success, but he certainly doesn't steal any of MM's thunder IMO. I was lukewarm on McCarthy until this season, but he's done more than enough to convince me. Top 5 is fair.

[Bretsky]

Might want to go and check the losses Reid and Tomlin had to deal with this season as well. Shit if not for the Eagles making that huge comeback against the Giant most of you would be calling for MM's head. Now since ARod had a great playoff run it somehow moves him above coaches who have more wins and SB appearances? Sorry I give him credit but so don't see him as top 5 yet.

Their losses IMO were not that close to what GB lost. The if point was a good one but since it never occured we should be giving MM an unprecented amont of love for mowing through the best teams in the NFL and winning it all minus all of those players. Reid and Tomlin failed to do with lesser losses

[KYPack]

Brandon, yer getting rolled in this thread.

Wise up, Grasshopper.

MM coached masterfully in the the playoffs and took a step up to the top tier of NFL coaches.

His games plans on offense were perfect. His DC changed up and had stopper gameplans on D. MM let Dom work his magic and the outcome was a SB title.

You need to smell the coffee brewin'.

The most valuable lesson man has learned from his dog is to kick a few blades of grass over it and move on... Robert Brault

[Brandon494]

I could be wrong but hey it's just my opinion. One thing I can agree on is that we have a top 5 TEAM!

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I could be wrong but hey it's just my opinion. One thing I can agree on is that we have a top 5 TEAM!

More like a top 1 team. I guess #1 is part of the top 5.

[MJZiggy]

That's nuts; look at the roster Hoody was coaching last year; the team has a huge makeover in the past three years going very young. Ditched Moss. Welker back from a torn ACL was not as effecitive. Not a bunch of talent at RB. Very young on defense. Many can't even name the Pats two starting WR's. We witnessed two TE's develop like we wish Quarless would have developed. Plenty of teams had more talent than the Pats in the AFC. They had Hoody and Brady.

Last year might have been Hoody's best job in the regular season doing what he did with that talent....since the undefeated year. Hard to discount any coach who can go undefeated in a season

By this logic, M3 deserves to be #1. Look at his roster by the time mid season rolled around and see how many of his starters were gone. And when you go to make the "we had more talent" argument, stop for a second to think why.

[3irty1]

MM is easily top 5 and should be fighting with Tomlin and Peyton for the top spot IMO. Mike Smith and BB round out my top 5. MM has the creativity and offensive genius of Peyton, game planning that surpasses even BB. We know that he can develop a QB which will always keep him in the top half by itself. He's as good of a playcaller as exists in the NFL.

To the poster that suggested MM is worse at his job than AR, TT, or Dom... I'd lose Dom before MM, especially if I were starting a new franchise.

[Bretsky]

By this logic, M3 deserves to be #1. Look at his roster by the time mid season rolled around and see how many of his starters were gone. And when you go to make the "we had more talent" argument, stop for a second to think why.

anybody who knows both rosters would say we had far more talent. NE chose to rid themselves of their vets and go young a couple yrs ago.

You are right; we give MM loads of credit for what he did due to the injuries and IMO that's what clearly elevates him to a top 5 coach. I doubt many of us, including you, would have tried to argue MM was a top 5 coach after last year

[Fritz]

Okay, let's turn the thread a bit: who are the up-and-coming coaches already coaching in the NFL, and who is about to poop the bed and lose his job?

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anybody who knows both rosters would say we had far more talent. NE chose to rid themselves of their vets and go young a couple yrs ago.

The Packers did that too (Faver, Kampy, Harris, etc.) and are younger than the Patriots. The Packers are still one of the youngest teams in the league.

[Tarlam!]

The Packers are still one of the youngest teams in the league.

Second youngest in the league last season, in fact.

[KYPack]

Okay, let's turn the thread a bit: who are the up-and-coming coaches already coaching in the NFL, and who is about to poop the bed and lose his job?

Up and comers.

Raheem Morris Tampa Bay Bucs. Outgoing young coach with solid pro background. Reminds me of a Sean Payton type. Aggressive, risk-reward kind of guy

Jim Schwartz Detroit Lions. Old school but in a new wave kind of way. Preaches hitting and never say die approach. Tough guy who wants his team to kick butt, the Lions played us tougher than some more well heralded teams last season. A Marty Schott kind of guy, he looks to have the Lions going in the right direction.

Steve Spagnuolo Saint Louis. A formerD Coordinator who wants his team to hit, while playing up-tempo football. He’s the guy who finally gets St Looey out of their 2000’s slump.

Poop the Bed Candidates

Todd Haley Chiefs. He might bring it off, but….
The combo of Haley and former Pat GM Scott Pioli looked like a brilliant move by Lamar Hunt’s kid as Prexy of the Chiefs. The Chefs (on purpose sp) have made a huge turnaround under these two guys, but things started to come apart. Haley needs a special intern to help him carry around his hugely swelled head. Pioli may have to get a new guy in there as everyone gets sick of Haley’s egomania.

Tony Sparano Dolphins. I say this one facetiously. The Dolphins played good teams well last year and had some very tough losses. Tough Tony has to get a QB in there to save his job, but I like his approach to the game. He has to have a good year with his rabbi Bill P gone, so it could get ugly for the Godfather. If canned, he will definitely coordinate and probably be a HC in the league again.

John Fox Denver Broncos. It could be a real mess in the mountains. Owner Bowlen tired of Shanny the Rat, so he’s bringing in various Boy Wonders. First Josh McDaniels was sent packing after royally screwing things up. Next they bring back Horseface Harry, Johnny Elway to be a rookie President. The thought finally hit somebody, “Hey, Let’s get somebody in here who has done this sort of shit before!”. Enter John Fox. The Pony’s don’t seem to be a John Fox team and Denver doesn’t seem like a John Fox situation. It could get real Mile High ugly. At least I hope so, I still hate them muff uggers.

[Guiness]

Up and comers.

Raheem Morris Tampa Bay Bucs. Outgoing young coach with solid pro background. Reminds me of a Sean Payton type. Aggressive, risk-reward kind of guy

Jim Schwartz Detroit Lions. Old school but in a new wave kind of way. Preaches hitting and never say die approach. Tough guy who wants his team to kick butt, the Lions played us tougher than some more well heralded teams last season. A Marty Schott kind of guy, he looks to have the Lions going in the right direction.

Steve Spagnuolo Saint Louis. A formerD Coordinator who wants his team to hit, while playing up-tempo football. He’s the guy who finally gets St Looey out of their 2000’s slump.

Poop the Bed Candidates

Todd Haley Chiefs. He might bring it off, but….
The combo of Haley and former Pat GM Scott Pioli looked like a brilliant move by Lamar Hunt’s kid as Prexy of the Chiefs. The Chefs (on purpose sp) have made a huge turnaround under these two guys, but things started to come apart. Haley needs a special intern to help him carry around his hugely swelled head. Pioli may have to get a new guy in there as everyone gets sick of Haley’s egomania.

Tony Sparano Dolphins. I say this one facetiously. The Dolphins played good teams well last year and had some very tough losses. Tough Tony has to get a QB in there to save his job, but I like his approach to the game. He has to have a good year with his rabbi Bill P gone, so it could get ugly for the Godfather. If canned, he will definitely coordinate and probably be a HC in the league again.

John Fox Denver Broncos. It could be a real mess in the mountains. Owner Bowlen tired of Shanny the Rat, so he’s bringing in various Boy Wonders. First Josh McDaniels was sent packing after royally screwing things up. Next they bring back Horseface Harry, Johnny Elway to be a rookie President. The thought finally hit somebody, “Hey, Let’s get somebody in here who has done this sort of shit before!”. Enter John Fox. The Pony’s don’t seem to be a John Fox team and Denver doesn’t seem like a John Fox situation. It could get real Mile High ugly. At least I hope so, I still hate them muff uggers.

You hit two guys that came to mind for me.

Raheem on the up and coming side. He did some pretty good work with that squad this year. One different bounce of the ball, and their the #6 seed, not us.

John Fox. I laughed when I read the press about what a wonderful hire he was. He was washed up in Carolina, couldn't right the ship. Suddenly he's a saviour in Denver? The game has passed him by.

[KYPack]

You hit two guys that came to mind for me.

Raheem on the up and coming side. He did some pretty good work with that squad this year. One different bounce of the ball, and their the #6 seed, not us.

John Fox. I laughed when I read the press about what a wonderful hire he was. He was washed up in Carolina, couldn't right the ship. Suddenly he's a saviour in Denver? The game has passed him by.

I'm real impressed with Morris. I attended the Bengal Buc game last fall. Morris handled his team beautifully. He was supposed to be on the hot seat, but he kept his poise in that game. He knows the job. Same thing for Josh Freeman. That kid has deceptive size. He's bigger than you think he is. Freeman has leadership and charisma. That kid will be a big thing is this league.

Fox? Yeah, I think he's done. I imagine Denver will start with some juice and then totally fall apart. Bowlen might be smart to blow himself up. I really look for Elway to fall on his ass as team leader and all. You've got to have a lot of experience to do that gig. Maybe he'll hire Jon Bon Jovi as GM. eh?