Excellent Mock, make for the benefit of Packerfanistan

[RashanGary]

to be honest when I looked Carpenter up I felt I had a pretty good knowledge of the OT prospects before him but didn't know a ton about Carpenter. Here was one writeup. I kind of think Buluga is a RT; if TT thinks that I think he'll want his picks to project as possible LT's or OG's as well.

I don't remember Bulaga ever getting beat with speed. He did get beat a little with power. But he was a 21 year old rookie, coming out as a JR. If he stuck at RT, I'm fairly certain he'd make big strides from his already solid rookie season. I do think he can play LT though. His feet are excellent and he seems to be a bit of a natural.

The Carpenter write up, to me, if you read the positives, the guy is a prototype NFL ready OT. Then the negatives, it really only lists one and it says he opens his hips a little early, yet no mention of him actually getting beat that way. Maybe he his more of a RT, but you can see the media types stretching to find a negative about him. The coaches voted him all SEC OT. It's rare the all SEC LT goes in the 3rd round. I highly doubt he drops that far.

Everything about him, it seems he's a guy you plug in on day on and then forget he's there for 10 years.

[Bretsky]

I'm on board. When I looked at a couple other sites it noted his weakness in that he's not an elite athlete. Big deal......if he's a FB player. Clifton, the best LT I've witnessed as a Packer fan, would have never been mistaken for an elite athlete either.

Here would be another classic TT pick; it'd be fun to actually hit on a few of his picks one year



Cecil Shorts III, WR, Mount Union
Height: 6-0. Weight: 193.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
Combine 40 Time: 4.53.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.50.
Vertical: 34.5. Broad: 9-6. Hand: 9 1/4.
Projected Round (2011): 4-6.
3/19/11: Cecil Shorts somehow dropped 13 pounds since the Combine - please alert Rosie O'Donnell how to do this - but it only helped his 40 by .03 seconds. He did not work out because of the rain.

3/31/10: Another great year for Cecil Shorts III - 90 catches, 1,551 yards and 17 scores.

8/7/09: Aside from having one of the coolest names in this draft class, Cecil Shorts III registered 77 receptions for 1,484 yards and 23 touchdowns in 2008.

[Tarlam!]

Not well toned? So he needs a pro training camp and an off-season! Sheesh!

[Bretsky]

It sounds like there is a strong chance Carpenter will be there for GB round two.

So would you rather have somebody like Wilkerson or Brooks Reed and Carpenter,
or a guy like
Ijalana and maybe a Jabal Sheard

I think I'd choose the first option

[Lurker64]

Steve Smith is listed at 5'-9" and 185lb. Went in the 3rd #74.

Just sayin'.

Yeah, but TT is pretty keen on taller DBs and bigger WRs. Since his time in Green Bay the WRs that Thompson has drafted have been: 6-3 217, 6-0 200, 6-1 208, 6-0 188, 5-11 198, 6-0 186, 6-1 196.

The only WR he drafted that was short of six feet was Jennings, whose lack of ideal height was more than made up for by his game. I have a hard time seeing him drafting 5-9 Jernigan.

[Lurker64]

It sounds like there is a strong chance Carpenter will be there for GB round two.

So would you rather have somebody like Wilkerson or Brooks Reed and Carpenter,
or a guy like
Ijalana and maybe a Jabal Sheard

I think I'd choose the first option

I think I'd rather have Dontay Moch or Sam Acho than Jabal Sheard. But if we get Ijalana and Moch/Acho with our first two picks, I'm happy drafting strict BPA the rest of the way.

Moch or Acho is more of a personal preference thing. Moch is fast but not especially agile, while Acho is agile but not especially fast. Moch's pass rush keys off his aggressive bull rush, while Acho's pass rush keys off his anticipation, motor, and technique. I'd be happy with either player in the second.

[Bretsky]

I'd be fine picking Ijalana if we trade down six to eight picks; find a sucker who wants a QB and get an extra pick. He'll turn out to be a decent player. Not much of a value at pick 32 IMO.

Lot of people think Moch might be the classic bust pick; I don't have a view either way with that

[sharpe1027]

I think the need at DE is mitigated in large part because, when left to his druthers, Dom Capers will not have more than 2 defensive linemen on the field. Generally we only have 3 down DL on first down, and on short yardage, and frequently the defense lines up in nickel on 1st and 10. Dom only actually bothers to play a 3-4 against teams where he's concerned about the run. Most of the time we're a 2-4-5 team.

That being said, I'd much rather draft a later round developmental DL prospect like Brandon Bair out of Oregon than spend our first on a part time player.

I think Capers likes having his best players on the field. If that means 2 DL, he'll do it, but if he's got 3 solid DL I think he'll play them more.

[RashanGary]

I think Capers likes having his best players on the field. If that means 2 DL, he'll do it, but if he's got 3 solid DL I think he'll play them more.

Agreed. If we get Adrian Clayborn like our mock draft says we could, in a year or two, I could see a lot more Clayborn/Raji/Neal base than 2-4-5 nickle. The reason is because the pass rush/run stop combo of those three is more important than the 5th DB.

Capers lines up what he has. If what he has change, so does what he lines up.

People made the same mistake with Ted Thompson. Ted did this today, therefor he will do the same thing tomorrow and we'll never win the SB. There is context that gets missed. In this case, the context is Capers played his best 11. You can't predict what he'll play tomorrow, because you don't know what his best 11 will be made up of.

[Tarlam!]

If I were asked, I'd say this is the most important dude on the DL:

Last name is pronounced TER-guh-vack.

• Joined Packers Feb. 3, 2009.

• Enters his 16th season as an NFL coach and second stint with the Packers, having coached Green Bay’s defensive line in 1999, the same year Mike McCarthy was quarterbacks coach.

• Was the Carolina Panthers’ defensive coordinator for six seasons (2003-08), directing a defense that ranked in the top 10 three times.

Injuries depleted the line last year, but the youngens showed enough for me to have faith in what we have. I believe it's a direct result of the DL coach.

[Smidgeon]

I think Capers likes having his best players on the field. If that means 2 DL, he'll do it, but if he's got 3 solid DL I think he'll play them more.

I know what you're saying about getting the best players on the field, but this is now a passing league. Dom drove the 2-4-5 to a Super Bowl and a top defense. In this league where 3 WR sets are more common than 2 TE sets, I think the 2-4-5 is GB's defense.

My opinion, of course. And thus why I don't think a DE is that high of a priority.

It will be really interesting to see which way the Packers go in 10 days...

[Tarlam!]

Another man's opinion:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/668358-green-bay-packers-full-7-round-mock-draft-with-possible-trades