Stay Granted: Lockout On Til June, Breakthrough Reported

[Lurker64]

I don't think anybody is proposing cutting salaries. The NFL's proposal includes a salary cap that is more than any previous salary cap, and it grows every single year. It may not be as high as the players want, and it may not grow as much as the players want, but saying the NFL wants to cut players salaries is frankly ridiculous.

A reduction in the projected rate of increase is not a cut. Cutting something means making it less than it was. Nobody is proposing anything of the sort.

After the NHL lockout when the players agreed to an across the board reduction of the remaining value of existing contracts, that was a cut.

[Tony Oday]

I don't think anybody is proposing cutting salaries. The NFL's proposal includes a salary cap that is more than any previous salary cap, and it grows every single year. It may not be as high as the players want, and it may not grow as much as the players want, but saying the NFL wants to cut players salaries is frankly ridiculous.

A reduction in the projected rate of increase is not a cut. Cutting something means making it less than it was. Nobody is proposing anything of the sort.

After the NHL lockout when the players agreed to an across the board reduction of the remaining value of existing contracts, that was a cut.

It is if you talk to school districts...our budget didnt go up by what we thought its a cut!!!

[SkinBasket]

Fuck the owners!

The owners arent the ones that entertain me every sunday, they don't risk their bodies every snap, and they don't take years off their life by playing the game that we all love. These guys are the best athletes in the world and have made this the best sport in the country. NFL has been growing in revenue and popularity every year and now they want to cut the players salaries by 18%? Just another case of the rich being greedy. Just add a rookie salary cap and lets get these guys back on the field.

E-mail the owner of the business which employs you your ideas on ownership tomorrow. Should be a wonderful discussion.

In the meantime, work on your math fool.

[Deputy Nutz]

Skin, you need to talk to your manager.

[Lurker64]

It is if you talk to school districts...our budget didnt go up by what we thought its a cut!!!

Well, it's disingenuous when people do this politically, but even so it's more appropriate to refer to cuts in that context than in this one. School districts budget many things well in advance, and having a shortfall can be problematic. Considering that NFL players are running out of money this offseason and they don't even get paid in the offseason in a normal year, I'm convinced that NFL players don't budget for next week let alone next year.

It's honestly only the union leadership that honestly cares that much about "the salary cap isn't going up quickly enough" the only real reason to be upset is to be upset in principle. For most folks "hey, you're going to be getting more money and better benefits under the next collective bargaining agreement" is a fairly desirable outcome.

[SkinBasket]

Skin, you need to talk to your manager.

What's with all the cock jokes?

[bobblehead]

Fuck the owners!

The owners arent the ones that entertain me every sunday, they don't risk their bodies every snap, and they don't take years off their life by playing the game that we all love. These guys are the best athletes in the world and have made this the best sport in the country. NFL has been growing in revenue and popularity every year and now they want to cut the players salaries by 18%? Just another case of the rich being greedy. Just add a rookie salary cap and lets get these guys back on the field.

At some point you have to concede that the owners are the ones making it possible for you to SEE those studs compete and bust their asses for you to watch and enjoy.

The owner of Wendy's doesn't cook the burger either, but s/he negotiates the deals that get the cow killed, ground and delivered to your local store. The franchise built the model to follow. The builders built the building its sold in....so in conclusion, most of the profits should go to the guy who threw it on the grill.

[Brandon494]

Any average joe can cook burgers and cooking burgers doesnt take years off your life. Millions of people don't crowd around TVs and fill stadiums every Sunday to watch someone grill a burger. I see what your trying to say but it's apples and oranges.

[retailguy]

Any average joe can cook burgers and cooking burgers doesnt take years off your life. Millions of people don't crowd around TVs and fill stadiums every Sunday to watch someone grill a burger. I see what your trying to say but it's apples and oranges.

HOW?

The player doesn't get the chance to make millions and "shorten his life", if the owners hadn't built the business. Good grief, do you even have a job?

[Brandon494]

Yea they build the business but without these players where the fuck would these owners be? You can't just hire some random fuck off the street to do what these guys do. That's how its different then flipping some burgers. Do you have a job? I want to see how you would react if you were making your business millions in revenue every year and they wanted to cut your pay even though your making them more money year after year. There is a reason we watch the NFL instead of arena football, and it's not because of the owners.

[Tony Oday]

Yea they build the business but without these players where the fuck would these owners be? You can't just hire some random fuck off the street to do what these guys do. That's how its different then flipping some burgers. Do you have a job? I want to see how you would react if you were making your business millions in revenue every year and they wanted to cut your pay even though your making them more money year after year. There is a reason we watch the NFL instead of arena football, and it's not because of the owners.

Get a PHD in Physics off the street, so on and so on. I can tell you EXACTLY how it feels to do more and more and get my pay capped. I own a mortgage brokerage and the government just capped what I can make. The pie is still the same size just a larger portion go to the banks.

You keep saying shorten their lives...well yeah they do that is the trade off for making millions. Want a longer life teach 3rd grade and get your summers off.

[Brandon494]

That sounds like a personal problem that has nothing to do with why these players should have to take a paycut.

[Tony Oday]

No you stated that we wouldnt know what it was like I said I do. The players are employees or at least independent contractors. I would CUT pay across the board and tie the amount you get paid to the games you win.

[Brandon494]

Sorry but that's a horrible idea

[Tony Oday]

Why? They are paid to win, dont win dont get paid.