Stay Granted: Lockout On Til June, Breakthrough Reported

[SkinBasket]

If, however, the owner's didn't have a salary cap, it is likely the players would make an even more than what they are asking for now and the amount they were paid would likely vary according to the success of the league.

More likely is that a few players would make even more money, and a lot of them would make less. Without a salary cap max, there's not going to be a floor either. Then the league looks like baseball. 3-4 major markets spending 10x what most teams do to be in the playoffs every year, and a few others cycling between young in-house talent about to be bought by the major markets and a few high-priced, short term leased players during their "window of opportunity." The rest of the league plays it's games for the sake of playing the games until they happen across some unexpected talent and get their chance to compete for a year or two before being raped of their talent and spending the next decade playing with leftovers again.

Then revenue plummets and the players make far less than they do now. Very exciting stuff.

[sharpe1027]

More likely is that a few players would make even more money, and a lot of them would make less. Without a salary cap max, there's not going to be a floor either. Then the league looks like baseball. 3-4 major markets spending 10x what most teams do to be in the playoffs every year, and a few others cycling between young in-house talent about to be bought by the major markets and a few high-priced, short term leased players during their "window of opportunity." The rest of the league plays it's games for the sake of playing the games until they happen across some unexpected talent and get their chance to compete for a year or two before being raped of their talent and spending the next decade playing with leftovers again.

Then revenue plummets and the players make far less than they do now. Very exciting stuff.

I agree with what you said, it is consistent with what I said. There would likely be a larger disparity of wages, both between teams and between players, but the owners would likely still be paying out more overall.

Although there would be no floor, how many teams are even close to the floor now? If almost no teams ran up against the floor last year, it would suggest that the previous floor was effectively meaningless.

I'm not advocating for the salary cap to be removed, it would be very bad IMO. I am saying that it's not so clear-cut that the players have no basis to say they should get a percentage cut.

[SkinBasket]

Although there would be no floor, how many teams are even close to the floor now? If almost no teams ran up against the floor last year, it would suggest that the previous floor was effectively meaningless.

And that, my friend, is the result of the competitive balance that has been provided by the salary cap, draft, scheduling, etc..

Most teams enter the season believing they can at least have a shot at making the play-offs, or if not that year, then certainly by the next. That prevents the kind of dumping of salary/talent you see for years at a time in baseball and basket(*barf*)ball.

What I took from Patler's insane ranting was that you could eliminate a lot of these arguments and points of conflict if the cap wasn't tied to a percentage of total revenue. All it does is cause a massive amount of accounting to get to a number that you could be reached through simple negotiation.

[sharpe1027]

And that, my friend, is the result of the competitive balance that has been provided by the salary cap, draft, scheduling, etc..

Most teams enter the season believing they can at least have a shot at making the play-offs, or if not that year, then certainly by the next. That prevents the kind of dumping of salary/talent you see for years at a time in baseball and basket(*barf*)ball.

What I took from Patler's insane ranting was that you could eliminate a lot of these arguments and points of conflict if the cap wasn't tied to a percentage of total revenue. All it does is cause a massive amount of accounting to get to a number that you could be reached through simple negotiation.

I think that makes a lot of sense about the competitive balance keeping teams from going super cheap.

As to the other point, each time they renegotiate the "fixed" salary cap, what do you think they will be arguing over? Both sides will use the total revenue, costs and the same stuff to renegotiate the "fixed" salary cap. What changes?

[swede]

...Patler's insane ranting...

Boy if I had a nickel for every time I've heard that.

[mraynrand]

As to the other point, each time they renegotiate the "fixed" salary cap, what do you think they will be arguing over? Both sides will use the total revenue, costs and the same stuff to renegotiate the "fixed" salary cap. What changes?

What the hell else would they use - the price of unsalted peanuts? This whole thing isn't that complicated. Give the players a percentage of revenue as always - negotiate that - and have the NFL and owners figure out how to punish lame-ass owners who are trying to score free cable off their roommates. Done and done. Play football!

[mraynrand]

What I took from Patler's insane ranting

Boy if I had a nickel for every time I've heard that.

[swede]

Good point. Thus the pitfall of not agreeing to a fixed cap for the number of nickels.

[sharpe1027]

What the hell else would they use - the price of unsalted peanuts? This whole thing isn't that complicated. Give the players a percentage of revenue as always - negotiate that - and have the NFL and owners figure out how to punish lame-ass owners who are trying to score free cable off their roommates. Done and done. Play football!

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[SkinBasket]

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Don't poke the bear.

[sharpe1027]

Don't poke the bear.

Can I pet the bear instead?

[Guiness]

I agree with what you said, it is consistent with what I said. There would likely be a larger disparity of wages, both between teams and between players, but the owners would likely still be paying out more overall.

Although there would be no floor, how many teams are even close to the floor now? If almost no teams ran up against the floor last year, it would suggest that the previous floor was effectively meaningless.

I'm not advocating for the salary cap to be removed, it would be very bad IMO. I am saying that it's not so clear-cut that the players have no basis to say they should get a percentage cut.

I thought a few teams were close, or even under, what the floor would have been last year?

[Lurker64]

I thought a few teams were close, or even under, what the floor would have been last year?

In 2009 the Salary Floor was $110m, in 2010 the Rams, Chargers, Bills, Broncos, Bengals, Cardinals, Jaguars, Chiefs, and Buccaneers spent less than that. The Bucs actually ended up spending roughly $80m on players (less than half of what the Cowboys or Redskins spent).

[Brandon494]

Fuck the owners!

The owners arent the ones that entertain me every sunday, they don't risk their bodies every snap, and they don't take years off their life by playing the game that we all love. These guys are the best athletes in the world and have made this the best sport in the country. NFL has been growing in revenue and popularity every year and now they want to cut the players salaries by 18%? Just another case of the rich being greedy. Just add a rookie salary cap and lets get these guys back on the field.

[Tony Oday]

Cap the total compensation per team to 52 million...fuck the players they dont build shit!

hehe

Really fuck them both, be adults and sign a damn agreement!