Better GM...Thompson or Wolf

[mraynrand]

Seriously I can't think of one weakness we have on this team.

I can

[RashanGary]

It's no doubt we are the next dynasty in the NFL. We are not only young but we have the most complete roster in the NFL. Seriously I can't think of one weakness we have on this team. Maybe another pass rushing OLB to pair with Clay but that's about it.

I like our chances.

[Deputy Nutz]

I don't look at it as an entitlement. I look at it as the reward for having one of the hardest working, most knowledgeable, most talented GM's in the game. 31 other teams are wishing they had a Ted Thompson running their show right now. Most wish they had a Ted Thompson in charge at ANY point in the history of their franchise. That includes the Jets and the Colts.

What about the Patriots?

[Deputy Nutz]

That post had nothing to do with you. You do realize you were not the only one bashing Ted for making that move right? You can call me ignorant all you want but I'm not the one who picked a player over the team then ran back as soon as they started winning games.

You are a fucking moron. I explained my position on the Packers a 100 times on this place and you either don't read what I write, or you simply can't comprehend what I write. Which one is it? I never came running back to the Packers and if you or anyone else thinks that, you're as stupid as your avatar looks.

I never faulted Ted for going with Rodgers. I think if you can figure out the search engine of this place you can find posts where I never faulted Thompson, just the way he went about it.

Calling Thompson a better GM for handling the Favre situation in 2008 is fruitless effort considering Wolf never had to deal with a situation even close to the explosive nature Favregate was.

[Tarlam!]

What about the Patriots?

Ouch!

[Gunakor]

What about the Patriots?

One of the biggest reasons we're having this conversation today is Thompson stole Clay Matthews right from under Hoodie's nose. I think the Patriots might be wishing they could take that one back. Like I said, 31 other teams wish they had a Ted Thompson in charge right now. Including New England.

[Tarlam!]

No way, Gunnie. Hoodie is the man in NE, make no mistake. Is it Kraft that owns them? Anyway, the owner, would no way drop Hoodie for TT, no way. Not after everything he's done up there. They are a perpetual powerhosue and a even when Brady was lost, didn't they find a way to win what, 11?

OK, TT nabbed CMIII, but Hoodie's been doing it for years.

[Smeefers]

It's no doubt we are the next dynasty in the NFL. We are not only young but we have the most complete roster in the NFL. Seriously I can't think of one weakness we have on this team. Maybe another pass rushing OLB to pair with Clay but that's about it.

I worry about our offensive line. Our running game is weak and I'm not sure if that's a product of our RB's or of our OL. I like Ryan Grant to a point, but I'm really excited to see the combo of Grant, starks and this new rook that JH is trying to sell everyone on. I'd love to have someone like Amahn Green back. That guy was invisible to the rest of the league, but man he could pound the turf. I also worry about our special teams. I'm actually starting to buy the whole, "the injuries we've had have hurt the special teams the most" theory from last year. If Slocum doesn't get canned, I think I may be convinced that the ST woes we had last year weren't his fault.

I guess what I worry about the most is all this confidence floating around. People are talking about winning 5, 6 titles. Seriously? I think I might shit myself if we actually pull off one more title this decade. A SB victory is so very rare. That's why it's so amazing to win one. I don't expect us to win one next year or the year after that. Good night, there's so many good teams out there. Last year, the Superbowl Champions lost to the Bears(11-5), the Redskins(6-10), the Dolphins(7-9), the Falcons(13-3), the Lions(6-10), and the Patriots(14-2). You can point to any number of excuses to why we lost, but that's just part of the game. We'll face those same difficulties or difficulties just like them in the coming years. At any point in time (not just during a game), Rodgers could blow out his knee and his career could be over. Finley could demand a trade. Mathews could bust hot for roids. Someone might cut AJ's hair and his muscles could deflate. I'm just preaching caution. The pride comith before the fall and all that shit. I like how our team looks too and we're built to have a shot at the title for years to come, but I by no means expect it.

[Deputy Nutz]

I worry about our offensive line. Our running game is weak and I'm not sure if that's a product of our RB's or of our OL. I like Ryan Grant to a point, but I'm really excited to see the combo of Grant, starks and this new rook that JH is trying to sell everyone on. I'd love to have someone like Amahn Green back. That guy was invisible to the rest of the league, but man he could pound the turf. I also worry about our special teams. I'm actually starting to buy the whole, "the injuries we've had have hurt the special teams the most" theory from last year. If Slocum doesn't get canned, I think I may be convinced that the ST woes we had last year weren't his fault.

I guess what I worry about the most is all this confidence floating around. People are talking about winning 5, 6 titles. Seriously? I think I might shit myself if we actually pull off one more title this decade. A SB victory is so very rare. That's why it's so amazing to win one. I don't expect us to win one next year or the year after that. Good night, there's so many good teams out there. Last year, the Superbowl Champions lost to the Bears(11-5), the Redskins(6-10), the Dolphins(7-9), the Falcons(13-3), the Lions(6-10), and the Patriots(14-2). You can point to any number of excuses to why we lost, but that's just part of the game. We'll face those same difficulties or difficulties just like them in the coming years. At any point in time (not just during a game), Rodgers could blow out his knee and his career could be over. Finley could demand a trade. Mathews could bust hot for roids. Someone might cut AJ's hair and his muscles could deflate. I'm just preaching caution. The pride comith before the fall and all that shit. I like how our team looks too and we're built to have a shot at the title for years to come, but I by no means expect it.

+1

[Deputy Nutz]

One of the biggest reasons we're having this conversation today is Thompson stole Clay Matthews right from under Hoodie's nose. I think the Patriots might be wishing they could take that one back. Like I said, 31 other teams wish they had a Ted Thompson in charge right now. Including New England.

You base your judgement on one player in one draft? How about you count titles first then we will revist the 2009 draft.

[retailguy]

One of the biggest reasons we're having this conversation today is Thompson stole Clay Matthews right from under Hoodie's nose. I think the Patriots might be wishing they could take that one back. Like I said, 31 other teams wish they had a Ted Thompson in charge right now. Including New England.

All kool-aid aside, certainly more than 20 teams with they had Thompson, but 31? No. He's not everybody's cup of tea. I cannot see him and Danny boy Snyder co-existing. Or him and Jerry Jones. New England would never pick him over Belicheat.

Your point is somewhat solid. Plenty of teams would be interested, but some wouldn't be. And that's ok with me.

[retailguy]

I worry about our offensive line. Our running game is weak and I'm not sure if that's a product of our RB's or of our OL. I like Ryan Grant to a point, but I'm really excited to see the combo of Grant, starks and this new rook that JH is trying to sell everyone on. I'd love to have someone like Amahn Green back. That guy was invisible to the rest of the league, but man he could pound the turf. I also worry about our special teams. I'm actually starting to buy the whole, "the injuries we've had have hurt the special teams the most" theory from last year. If Slocum doesn't get canned, I think I may be convinced that the ST woes we had last year weren't his fault.

I guess what I worry about the most is all this confidence floating around. People are talking about winning 5, 6 titles. Seriously? I think I might shit myself if we actually pull off one more title this decade. A SB victory is so very rare. That's why it's so amazing to win one. I don't expect us to win one next year or the year after that. Good night, there's so many good teams out there. Last year, the Superbowl Champions lost to the Bears(11-5), the Redskins(6-10), the Dolphins(7-9), the Falcons(13-3), the Lions(6-10), and the Patriots(14-2). You can point to any number of excuses to why we lost, but that's just part of the game. We'll face those same difficulties or difficulties just like them in the coming years. At any point in time (not just during a game), Rodgers could blow out his knee and his career could be over. Finley could demand a trade. Mathews could bust hot for roids. Someone might cut AJ's hair and his muscles could deflate. I'm just preaching caution. The pride comith before the fall and all that shit. I like how our team looks too and we're built to have a shot at the title for years to come, but I by no means expect it.

Look, I've been bitching about the OL since, well, hell froze over. I'm still not "impressed" but it is way better than it has ever been under Thompson. Right now, it is impossible to say it is not "good enough". When it counted, it was good enough.

But, you can't overlook Rodgers concussion history, and the OL is the best medicine to keep that under control. Developing a standout left guard and replacing Clifton are the two biggest priorities on this team right now, if you ask me. Plenty of young talent to try out, and hopefully Ted has improved at drafting line talent (Sitton not withstanding, who is most excellent).

Finally, the kool-aid is definitely flowing around here. That's not a bad thing. I've enjoyed a little myself. I learned a long time ago that forecasting is a tricky business, but I'm down for 19-0 next season.... lol

[Tarlam!]

One of you threw something out there that captivates me. To paraphrase: Wolf's team truly dominated the league, while TT's doesn't. I wasn't a fan of the NFL back then, so I have way to compare.

Was it more fun being a Packer fan when they won under Wolf or under TT? Let your answers, if you'd be so kind, be influenced by the "domination" factor. I'd really be thankful for your views.

[hoosier]

One of you threw something out there that captivates me. To paraphrase: Wolf's team truly dominated the league, while TT's doesn't. I wasn't a fan of the NFL back then, so I have way to compare.

Was it more fun being a Packer fan when they won under Wolf or under TT? Let your answers, if you'd be so kind, be influenced by the "domination" factor. I'd really be thankful for your views.

To date there is no question (in my mind at least) that Wolf accomplished more as far as team building goes than TT has. TTs SB win was great because it came in the face of so much adversity. But Wolf built a team that dominated for two straight seasons* and screwed up big time in one big game. If there is an argument to be made for TT being as good or better than Wolf, it is because his plan has put the Packers in position to dominate for the next few years. We kind of almost expect that to happen. If it does not, I think you will see the Wolf:TT comparisons fade quickly. If it does happen, you will see TT rise to the level of Wolf, or even higher, depending on how many SBs the Packers win in the 2010s.

*Edit: They didn't really dominate in 1997, they kind of sputtered their way through the regular season (as much as a team can sputter to a 13-3 record) and then really turned it on against San Fran in the NFC championship game. They were a dominant team but they didn't always play that way, if you can say that.

[retailguy]

One of you threw something out there that captivates me. To paraphrase: Wolf's team truly dominated the league, while TT's doesn't. I wasn't a fan of the NFL back then, so I have way to compare.

Was it more fun being a Packer fan when they won under Wolf or under TT? Let your answers, if you'd be so kind, be influenced by the "domination" factor. I'd really be thankful for your views.

The league is different now than it was then. Going into the 1996 you just knew it would be a whirlwind. Outside of a pathetic loss to the Colts, I think, the team dominated most of the year. I'm not sure 1996 was more fun, but it was more predictable. New England wasn't given much of a chance against us in the Super Bowl, and the game played out that way.

1997 was like watching a different team. Holmgrens impending departure really changed the vibe, I think. After that loss in the Super Bowl, the Broncos replaced the Bears as my most hated NFL team.