Better GM...Thompson or Wolf

[hoosier]

Their postseason struggles to me point directly to their defense which was one of the worst last season. No offense to Fylnn but look what he did against them.

Their formula all season long was to overwhelm opponents with their potent offense. The defense wasn't horrible (outsiders has it ranked 18th overall: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef) and most of the time it was good enough. What changed against the Jets in the playoffs was that NE couldn't move the ball. Was that the Jets playing great defense or Brady having a(nother) bad postseason game?

[Deputy Nutz]

Pats haven't won a title in 7 years and Brady will be 39 in 5 years. You can take the Pats but I guarntee Packers will be the better team in 5 years.

I Words just confuse you. You missed the entire premis in regards to "5 years". THE PRESENT!!!!

Gunakor believes their is no GM as good as Thompson and I mentioned Belichik who has 3 Super Bowl Titles in the last 12 years and 4 total appearance. When you compare wins and trophys to this point, Thompson has a ways to go before he catches Belichik as the best GM in the game. When was the last time Belichik had a lossing record?

Gunakor believe that the Packers under Thompson will win 3 Super Bowls in the next 5 years. Hence making him superior to Belichik.

I really have to explain everything to you.

I usually don't point this out because it is petty, but you had three post in a row with gramatical errors in them. congrats.

[Gunakor]

You don't have five years, you made a statement regarding the present, not five years from now. The Patriots have been the closest thing to a dynasty sinces the Cowboys of the 90s. There has been a ten year gap between dynasties. The Patriots have fallen back into the pack of contenders the last couple of years but they are still a favorite almost every year to make it into the Super Bowl. I still take Belichick right now, and probably in 5 years if he is still with the Pats.

The Pats didn't win all 3 of their titles in one season... If they needed half a decade to reach that achievement, I think it's fair to give the same to Green Bay.

[Brandon494]

Well you are a petty mother fucka so thanks for pointing it out. I don't even know what I said to get make start acting like a bitch. Does the whole Farve/ Ted situation really get you this upset. You must be one of those fans that wear those half Viking half Packers jerseys. Anyhow thanks for explaining everything to me, you knows I can't read all that good.

[mraynrand]

Well you are a petty mother fucka so thanks for pointing it out. I don't even know what I said to get make start acting like a bitch. Does the whole Farve/ Ted situation really get you this upset. You must be one of those fans that wear those half Viking half Packers jerseys. Anyhow thanks for explaining everything to me, you knows I can't read all that good.

Nigga here now! Wazzzup? Don't be getting all up in his grill fo' shizzle!

[Brandon494]

What does that even mean?

[Deputy Nutz]

Well you are a petty mother fucka so thanks for pointing it out. I don't even know what I said to get make start acting like a bitch. Does the whole Farve/ Ted situation really get you this upset. You must be one of those fans that wear those half Viking half Packers jerseys. Anyhow thanks for explaining everything to me, you knows I can't read all that good.

What the hell does this even mean?


Ok I took the time to decipher, I ain't a fan of any team. My heart turned cold, and now I just like to comment and report my opinions. The Packers are the easiest team to follow and I hate enough of you here to make life interesting enough on this forum. I bust balls about certain things here but I still like this place the best.

You still can't comprehend real good.

I think Ted is a good gm. I think Favre was still a good QB. I think and always thought Rodgers was going to be a good QB.

[Deputy Nutz]

The Pats didn't win all 3 of their titles in one season... If they needed half a decade to reach that achievement, I think it's fair to give the same to Green Bay.

I don't think you understand the concept here. I ain't giving anyone anything. I am not projecting Super Bowls, I am comparing Super Bowl wins and The Hoody is 3 for 4 and Thompson is 1 for 1. The Patriots were/are a dynasty, the Packers have won exactly one under Thompson. You made a comment that Thompson was currently the best GM, I debated your point by suggesting Belichik.

[Tarlam!]

You made a comment that Thompson was currently the best GM, I debated your point by suggesting Belichik.

Not quite. Gunnie suggested 31 other teams wished they had TT as their GM. You mentioned Patriots, to which I agreed. That's when achiement comparisons came ito it, so the dispute was unwittingly caused by me. Other posters also suggested some team owners would definitely not want TT out of personality clash reasons.

Maybe TT is the best current GM, but no way do 31 teams wish they had him, IMHO.

[bobblehead]

Not quite. Gunnie suggested 31 other teams wished they had TT as their GM. You mentioned Patriots, to which I agreed. That's when achiement comparisons came ito it, so the dispute was unwittingly caused by me. Other posters also suggested some team owners would definitely not want TT out of personality clash reasons.

Maybe TT is the best current GM, but no way do 31 teams wish they had him, IMHO.

31 other teams wish they had his season....well, the final results anyway. I doubt those 31 would want 15+ guys on the DL.

[esoxx]

Wolf

[Patler]

We all know what Wolf accomplished in restoring the Packers to status as an every-year contender. A top franchise in the league. It's hard to disagree with those who say he rescued the franchise

I think in his own way TT also rescued the franchise. I have documented several times how the record under Sherman was sort of a sham. No team in the NFC North had a winning record during Sherman's years. The Packers seemingly automatically had 5 or 6 wins in their division each year just by being "OK". If you look at Sherman's records against teams that had winning records, the Packers declined over Sherman's tenure. Several years they had almost unbelievably weak schedules. I think in 2005 the Packers were standing on the edge of a cliff with an old roster, very few young replacements on the roster due to horrible draft results, and a bad salary cap situation. The Packers weren't a bad team under Sherman-the-GM, but they were poised to become one. I think TT came in the nick of time.

TT's accomplishments in 2010 are remarkable in their own way. Not only did they lose 3 starters on offense and 3 on defense from their opening day lineup, they also lost arguably their best d-lineman from 2009 (Jolly) before the season even started. They weathered the decline of a starting WR (due to injuries) and his early loss in the SB. The got past losing a top-line reserve/specialist in Chiller. A top rookie (Neal) contributed almost nothing due to injury. Then, in the SB they lose their elder-statesman defensive leader who was just a year removed from DPOY recognition, and their third corner as well. TT's nonstop efforts to rebuild the roster from what Sherman created were magnified in the SB.

At this point, I don't think either is a clear superior to the other. They both rebuilt the team from what they inherited and accomplished the ultimate goal in winning the SB. However, Wolf did not sustain what he built. It remains to be seen if TT can. We will know by the time his contract runs out.

[KYPack]

That's about right P.

(Essox gets the 2011 PR brevity award, BTW)

TT really built the organization. He was instrumental in finding Harlan's replacement (Bob, not the nutty poster, sort of founder guy) which looks like a great hire. Now the MM hire looks brilliant and Ball has done a great job of managing the cap minus the self promoting Brandt focused on.

One of the big things TT did was turn the roster over and value solid depth, something way off Sherman's radar screen.

Sherm had run us into the sand bar, and TT got the ship sailing properly in pretty short time.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

We all know what Wolf accomplished in restoring the Packers to status as an every-year contender. A top franchise in the league. It's hard to disagree with those who say he rescued the franchise

I think in his own way TT also rescued the franchise. I have documented several times how the record under Sherman was sort of a sham. No team in the NFC North had a winning record during Sherman's years. The Packers seemingly automatically had 5 or 6 wins in their division each year just by being "OK". If you look at Sherman's records against teams that had winning records, the Packers declined over Sherman's tenure. Several years they had almost unbelievably weak schedules. I think in 2005 the Packers were standing on the edge of a cliff with an old roster, very few young replacements on the roster due to horrible draft results, and a bad salary cap situation. The Packers weren't a bad team under Sherman-the-GM, but they were poised to become one. I think TT came in the nick of time.

TT's accomplishments in 2010 are remarkable in their own way. Not only did they lose 3 starters on offense and 3 on defense from their opening day lineup, they also lost arguably their best d-lineman from 2009 (Jolly) before the season even started. They weathered the decline of a starting WR (due to injuries) and his early loss in the SB. The got past losing a top-line reserve/specialist in Chiller. A top rookie (Neal) contributed almost nothing due to injury. Then, in the SB they lose their elder-statesman defensive leader who was just a year removed from DPOY recognition, and their third corner as well. TT's nonstop efforts to rebuild the roster from what Sherman created were magnified in the SB.

At this point, I don't think either is a clear superior to the other. They both rebuilt the team from what they inherited and accomplished the ultimate goal in winning the SB. However, Wolf did not sustain what he built. It remains to be seen if TT can. We will know by the time his contract runs out.

Agree completely with just about everything you said Patler, expect I don't think you are giving Wolf enough credit when it comes to sustaining what he built. I mean you said it yourself Sherman had five years of bad drafts that killed the depth on those teams. Yet we still went out their and won during the 01-04 time period. Do you think we would have had all those 10-12 win seasons if it weren't for Wolf bringing in Favre, Green, Sharper, Mckenzie, T. williams, most of the o-line, Franks, etc. The core of those teams were still built by Wolf. I think that if he stayed Gm until 04-05 until TT took over that the roster would have been in very good shape and we may have even won another superbowl some time in that 01-04 period. Add two or three good drafts in 01, 02, and 03, to the 03 team that lost on 4th and 26 for example, and I think we win it all that year.

I just think that Wolf doesn't get credit for sustaining the roster because he left in a time of transition and not in a time of power. I have Wolf and TT equally ranked right now b/c they both have one superbowl championship. Until TT wins us another he will not past wolf IMHO.

[esoxx]

That's about right P.

(Essox gets the 2011 PR brevity award, BTW)

Well, brevity is the soul of wit ya know.

Wolf only by a whisker right now, in part based on two SB appearances. I fully expect TT will get to two and possibly more.

Both inherited difficult situations. I lean towards Wolf getting the harder task coming off the abysmal Infante era. The organization was in big disaray and in an obvious state of decline. They didn't have the world class training and pratice facilities and the place was considered football Siberia. Also, some of the framework Wolf put in place still existed at the time TT took over, including McKenzie in player personnel. In essence, Wolf was starting from complete scratch with a losing culture and mindset that had become engrained. Packer football wasn't special by the end of the Infante era. Wolf was instrumental in awaking a sleeping giant, which was a monumental task.

That's not to diminish in any way what TT has done, just gives more insight in to my take of "Wolf."