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  • You can look at things two ways. . . . where it's been and where it's going. After 6-10, Mark Murphy was starting to get on the hot seat about MM and TT. The cynics said, 4-12, 8-8, 13-3 and 6-10 wasn't very good.

    31-33 was a average to below average team. Evidence such as context of the team Ted took over, context of the salary cap and context of the long term implications of drafting really well and frontloading contracts was thrown out the window. He was not building a team from ground up. He was pinching pennies. He was not young because the team he took over fell apart and he started sifting through the young talent until pieces stuck. He was young because he would always be young. He was young because he didn't want to sign and resign guys. All perspective was tossed out the window.

    Mark Murphy looked at it a little different way. He said 4-12, 8-8, 13-3 looked like a trend. He said 6-10 looked like an outlier. He said he wanted to give it time because he felt like it was going in the right direction.

    Two years later, the Packers get in the playoffs twice and win the SB once. Mark Murphy was right. He looked at where it was going, both in basic parts and in trend of improvement. Could he have been wrong? Sure. But people who can spot trends and put information together are right a whole lot more often than they're wrong.

    With that in mind, I think Ted's going to be remembered as the better GM 10 years from not. Not because of what has been played out as of today, but because I'm looking at the blocks and the trends and I believe the Packers are just entering an era of greatness. I'm making a prediction of what's to come and for those who follow, you know I'm pretty good at it
    Last edited by RashanGary; 07-05-2011, 02:43 PM.
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    • Reasonable analysis there, but you left out the F-bomb. That changed the equation in the 6-10 year, because TT really put his balls on the chopping block letting the F-bomb go. I would say that's a risky move, but I can't help but think that Murphy was on board for that one. Wonder where the board was....
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      • Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
        Ahman Green is Wolf's doing. He traded Fred Vinson to Seattle for Green - and a fifth round pick - in 2000. It's very likely Sherman had something to do with it, as he was with Seattle while Green rode the pines, and was the rookie coach in 2000, but Wolf gets the GM credit.
        Yup, you are right. I had a brain fart there. I remembered the story about the Hasselbeck trade, which both Wolf and Sherman said was Sherman's doing, and for some reason I related it to the Green trade when I wrote the comment. Completely wrong.

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        • If I remember correctly, Sherman coached Green the year before in Seattle. I think he was influential in bringing Green to the Packers. But it was Wolf's move. Gotta give it to Wolf.
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          • Originally posted by JustinHarrell View Post
            You can look at things two ways. . . . where it's been and where it's going. After 6-10, Mark Murphy was starting to get on the hot seat about MM and TT. The cynics said, 4-12, 8-8, 13-3 and 6-10 wasn't very good.

            31-33 was a average to below average team. Evidence such as context of the team Ted took over, context of the salary cap and context of the long term implications of drafting really well and frontloading contracts was thrown out the window. He was not building a team from ground up. He was pinching pennies. He was not young because the team he took over fell apart and he started sifting through the young talent until pieces stuck. He was young because he would always be young. He was young because he didn't want to sign and resign guys. All perspective was tossed out the window.

            Mark Murphy looked at it a little different way. He said 4-12, 8-8, 13-3 looked like a trend. He said 6-10 looked like an outlier. He said he wanted to give it time because he felt like it was going in the right direction.

            Two years later, the Packers get in the playoffs twice and win the SB once. Mark Murphy was right. He looked at where it was going, both in basic parts and in trend of improvement. Could he have been wrong? Sure. But people who can spot trends and put information together are right a whole lot more often than they're wrong.

            With that in mind, I think Ted's going to be remembered as the better GM 10 years from not. Not because of what has been played out as of today, but because I'm looking at the blocks and the trends and I believe the Packers are just entering an era of greatness. I'm making a prediction of what's to come and for those who follow, you know I'm pretty good at it
            I agree with this. If TT's upcoming drafts are on par with what we have seen the last 6 years and the key players on the team (Rodgers, Matthews, etc.) stay relatively healthy, I could see us winning another 2-3 superbowls in the next 5-8 years. If that happens, I think superbowl championships have to trump all else = TT > Wolf.

            As of right not though, they both have one championship and both won the superbowl after about 5 seasons of being GM. Plus TT looks to have built a team that is going to be a contender for many more years. Thus, as of right now I would say they are about even. Another superbowl win or two is what it is going to take to past wolf.
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