Plaxico Burress - Newest result of black salvation...

[SkinBasket]

And what was the topic when I said that?

Something about being black, I would guess.

[SkinBasket]

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRGvh...eature=related

2:56 and on:

"I was reckless, I made a very bad decision."

"I got myself into this situation, and I gotta deal with the consequences for that...I got myself in this situation by a lack of judgment."


2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkQDCpaTkJ8

"[Anger at] myself. Because I was the person that took that risk and chose to carry that firearm that night."

That sounds suspiciously like taking responsibility for what he did. Of course, I don't expect you to see it that way, because at no point in the video does he turn not-black.

So let me get this straight...

You can use two quotes to support your position, but I can't use half a dozen to support my own. You can use race to refute my position, but I can't use race to refute yours.

And I'm the one with preconceived notions?

Congratulations on finally finding something other than your own feelings to support your position BTW. It's at least a start. Although your first video is a couple years old, which would indicate he's actually become less accepting of responsibility since then. The second hard hitting interview by Stephen A Smith asking how hard jail was proves my other point. He's already being made a hero for "surviving" his jail time. 3 and a half minutes of talk about how hard it was, how he suffered, how he shouldn't be there with other criminals. Not one mention of responsibility outside of how angry he was. "I don't deserve to be here," says Plaxico. And you see that as accepting responsibility? Fail.

[Brandon494]

No point in arguing with him th87. He's like a fag who gets head from other guys but claims he's not gay since he's not the one sucking dick.

[mraynrand]

No point in arguing with him th87. He's like a fag who gets head from other guys but claims he's not gay since he's not the one sucking dick.

I assume you're drawing on personal experience. More likely you're incapable of arguing the point, so you're resulting to ad hominem attacks. While showing bigotry. Classy!

[Cheesehead Craig]

No point in arguing with him th87. He's like a fag who gets head from other guys but claims he's not gay since he's not the one sucking dick.

Wait, so receiving makes you gay? Guess the blood center will want to know that now...

[SkinBasket]

No point in arguing with him th87. He's like a fag who gets head from other guys but claims he's not gay since he's not the one sucking dick.

Maybe you should stop, since you always just end up making a total and complete idiot out of yourself with comments like this. I get it, without race baiting and your typical and repeated accusations of racism, you really don't have anything but poor attempts at insults to resort to. You do your people proud.

And by your people, I mean clowns.

[th87]

So let me get this straight...

You can use two quotes to support your position, but I can't use half a dozen to support my own. You can use race to refute my position, but I can't use race to refute yours.

And I'm the one with preconceived notions?

Congratulations on finally finding something other than your own feelings to support your position BTW. It's at least a start. Although your first video is a couple years old, which would indicate he's actually become less accepting of responsibility since then. The second hard hitting interview by Stephen A Smith asking how hard jail was proves my other point. He's already being made a hero for "surviving" his jail time. 3 and a half minutes of talk about how hard it was, how he suffered, how he shouldn't be there with other criminals. Not one mention of responsibility outside of how angry he was. "I don't deserve to be here," says Plaxico. And you see that as accepting responsibility? Fail.

You're taking his quotes and INTERPRETING them as not taking responsibility. I'm taking his actual quotes that EXPLICITLY STATE that he IS taking responsibility. You're taking your quotes, running them through your race filter, and are then concluding that he's not taking responsibility because some other black people don't. I'm looking at those quotes without the race filter, giving weight to his quotes of taking responsibility, and looking at whether he looks sincere or not.

Guess whose analysis is tainted with more bias? (Hint: not mine)

And I'm not using race to refute your position. I'm using YOUR bias that you admit you have and have demonstrated in the past. Me calling your bias out has nothing to do with your race - I don't know what you are. But it has everything to do with what you DO - how you've analyzed the behavior of black people in the past and presently. You are not objective because you are not objective. Not because you're white (or whatever).

Also, I don't know if you know, but people are allowed to have very complex viewpoints regarding their circumstances. I don't care if he thinks he shouldn't be hanging out with people convicted of serious crimes - he has said that that's the bed he made and has no one but himself to blame for that.

[th87]

No point in arguing with him th87.

Haha yeah, there probably isn't a point.

[Fosco33]

He didn't go to jail bc he shot himself accidentally. He went to jail bc he had an unlicenced, loaded, concealed weapon (2 felonies). Normal sentence for that crime go from 3.5-15 years.

If he's able to convince people that it's dumb to carry loaded weapons without license/training - great.

If he's able to convince some team to take a chance on him playing in the NFL again, I'd think it'd be fair to say anyone in with his position and talent would try and do the same thing.

[SkinBasket]

You're taking his quotes and INTERPRETING them as not taking responsibility. I'm taking his actual quotes that EXPLICITLY STATE that he IS taking responsibility. You're taking your quotes, running them through your race filter, and are then concluding that he's not taking responsibility because some other black people don't. I'm looking at those quotes without the race filter, giving weight to his quotes of taking responsibility, and looking at whether he looks sincere or not.

Guess whose analysis is tainted with more bias? (Hint: not mine)

You've done nothing but interpret. I've used his actual words while you've made excuses for his grammar and usage to fit your opinion. Again, instead of standing behind your own argument, you use race as a coverall. Or... dare I say it... your tyrone bigguns... err, I mean strawman? Don't have the evidence to back your claim? Well, just call the other guy a racist! Problem solved right? Gosh, you're clever.

And I'm not using race to refute your position. I'm using YOUR bias that you admit you have and have demonstrated in the past. Me calling your bias out has nothing to do with your race - I don't know what you are. But it has everything to do with what you DO - how you've analyzed the behavior of black people in the past and presently.

You're not? You just did. You're claiming my race bias drives my claims about his taking responsibility. I've evidenced his lack of accountability several times now and instead of accepting that, you continue to fall back on it being about race. What IS about race is the attitude of the black community who continue to rally behind these people who embrace the crutches of victimhood and unaccountability, which have become tenants of black American culture, the talking points of their political and social leaders, and a great detriment to their well-being. That has nothing to do with him taking responsibility. Other than you applying the later to the former in an attempt to compensate for your ridiculous lack of reasoning behind your opinion.

You are not objective because you are not objective.

You've done a real bang-up job proving that watertight argument.

Also, I don't know if you know, but people are allowed to have very complex viewpoints regarding their circumstances. I don't care if he thinks he shouldn't be hanging out with people convicted of serious crimes - he has said that that's the bed he made and has no one but himself to blame for that.

He obviously does have a very complex viewpoint of himself... that obviously involves not taking any responsibility or accountability for what he's done to the point of speaking in the passively nominative second person voice about his role in all of this. I've shown that several times, through my examples and your own. But you looked into his soul through the youtube video, so I guess I can't top that. Because I'm a racist.

But you and Brandon can go declare yourselves too clever for this argument. I'm sure you've convinced everyone here.

[th87]

He didn't go to jail bc he shot himself accidentally. He went to jail bc he had an unlicenced, loaded, concealed weapon (2 felonies). Normal sentence for that crime go from 3.5-15 years.

If he's able to convince people that it's dumb to carry loaded weapons without license/training - great.

If he's able to convince some team to take a chance on him playing in the NFL again, I'd think it'd be fair to say anyone in with his position and talent would try and do the same thing.

He had a concealed weapons permit in Florida. He moved, but didn't tell the state he was moving. They sent renewal forms to the old address, and the license expired. Was it dumb on his part? Sure. But to me, that's kind of an oversight and general laziness. It doesn't make him a hardened felon with no respect for the law or anything like that.

[3irty1]

Did you people read the same post that I did? The point is that Plaxico is taking advantage of an insane ladder of "rehabilitation" in a desperate attempt to get back into the league. Telling his story and calling it a tragic incident, and such is all an attempt to paint him as some sort of role model. This doesn't sound like it should work but if you say it at the "National Urban League" they will spin you into a victim, build you some sympathy, and do what they do best--get you some handouts.

Consider Donte Stallworth. Donte was part of a real tragedy (and the tragic part isn't that he lost money or playtime). Donte hit and killed a pedestrian in broad daylight while driving drunk. He surrendered to the police and pled guilty because he believed what he did was morally wrong. He reached a settlement with the victim's family and will never drive again. He was quietly reinstated to the NFL and I haven't heard of anyone having a problem with that. He showed true remorse, did his best to right the situation, and took full responsibility.

[3irty1]

Double Post.

[Fosco33]

He had a concealed weapons permit in Florida. He moved, but didn't tell the state he was moving. They sent renewal forms to the old address, and the license expired. Was it dumb on his part? Sure. But to me, that's kind of an oversight and general laziness. It doesn't make him a hardened felon with no respect for the law or anything like that.

NYC doesn't recognize out of state gun permits anyways. And beyond that, he bypassed the club's security, didn't report the incident, used a psueodym and likely convinced hospital employees to not report the shooting and lied to them that it happened at a chain restaurant.

Agreed - doesn't make him a hardened felon. But felonious activity and lots of covering up. Got caught and paid the time. Simple enough.

Would I let him catch a football for the Pack - sure, why not. Would I let him date my daughter - nope.

[Tarlam!]

Oh, Man, Skin has never ever suggested he doesn't view blacks differently than whites differently than south americans differently than canadiansen masse. He recently made a bet about how long the black plumber was gonna need etc. But he's not a bigot or a racist for that. Everyone of us has a pidgeon hole system based on the first sense we tend to employ, which is sight or sound. I do it and it's based on life experience. I've been to The Emirates and adored it, I've been to Israel and hated it. That may not be politically correct, but I pidgeon holes muslims and jews.

But you guys beating Skin up on being racisit on this thread are so far off. Skin is a proud owner of firearms, as is his wife. People like Buress obviously play into the hands of the anti gun lobby - Skin's adversary - and has basically said Buress should own up that he was the dork, got what he deserved.

Did Buress pay too much time/ money. I'll share with you the Finish traffic fines system. You get stopped for speeding the amount of the fine is a percentile of your annual income. A world famous race car driver war doing 60mph over. His fine? $280 000. I kid you not. I like parity.

But I think Skin's othr concern is that a handful of dumb people will spoil it for a boatload of responsible people.