THE THREE DAY WINDOW..WHAT DOES TT DO ???? GO ON RECORD

[Bretsky]

OK, we will soon have three days to sign our own be4 they go off to find the best deal the NFL can offer via free agency

I think this might be one of those classic seasons where other teams go after and overvalue players on a Super Bowl Team

Here is a list, along with some thoughts and predications of who returns to Green Bay and who goes. Feel free to put yourself on record as well.

CULLEN JENKINS
Truth be told if I could name a free agent I'd like to see in a Packer uniform for a fair price Cullen Jenkins might be at the top of my list. He's just a solid, very solid player, and he will be hard to replace. When TT wants to keep a guy like Cullen Jenkins, he attempts to re-up him early because most of the time he knows when a stellar player becomes free he's on his way out. Jenkins, whille stellar, has been injured off and on and is hitting the age where offering him a huge payday would be a huge risk.........one in which I doubt TT takes.

More importantly, in the near future TT will be looking to extend studs like Jermichael Finley, Josh Sitton, Jordy Nelson, Clay Matthews, and probably AROD once more. TT knows its smarter to let one of his DE's develop and let Cullen Walk.
Thanks for the memories Cullen.

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JAMES JONES
Jekyll and Hyde. I've seen some compare his skills to Sterling Sharpe (silly IMO) and others compare him to Robert Ferguson (equally silly). Truth be told, he's a solid #3/#4 WR who was an important part of our Super Bowl Run. He's also a great person and good community guy.....aka...a Packer Person. He's a guy you hope they keep for the right price

However, on the practical side.........Do the Packers really need James Jones ?? I would suggest no. They bring back Jermichael Finley and a newbie in Randall Cobb. They lose James Jones. That's a tradeoff from a SB champion that I'll take any day. My gut tells me they will soon focus on resigning Jordy, and regrettably let Mr Jones leave the neighborhood. P.S.--My RAMS need WR's.

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DARYN COLLEDGE
Mr Durability who had a very nice season last year. For whatever reason the dude has always kind of reminded me of Mike Wahle. Mike Wahle was always going to the highest bidder. DC got his championship last year, which is even more reason for him to go for the gold. Another team IMO will value him far higher than TT does and SHOW HIM THE MONEY.

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BRANDON JACKSON
Severaly torn on this one. He's very average, but with that being said, he's everything I think MM likes in a 3rd down RB. He is Mr. Reliable in terms of pass protection and having the knowledge to always be in the right spot and do the right things. If there is a market for this guy, IMO he goes. We seemed to draft a RB in round three this year that offers far more upside than Brandon Jackson so that might suggest they are moving on w/o him. But my gut still says TT might sign him to a one year deal, which IMO would be smart while the young backs develop. While my gut says he stays, I have to predict

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MASON CROSBY
MONEY CROSBY has the leg that is prefectly suited for Green Bay. He ranked 26th in FG percentage but he has a rocket for a leg and IMO he's well thought of as a stable kicker in the NFL. I don't think there is a better one out there in free agency, and certainly not one who would be a better kicker in Green Bay. Letting him go past that three day window would be a huge mistake. The Money Man is coming back

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KOREY HALL
Solid ST player who consistently does whatever the team asks of him. I don't think there is a big market for him and I doubt he gets signed in the three day window. He may be a guy TT says go out and find your value and come back to us. Flip a coin; heads he stays tails he goes. 50/50 shot. If TOO CLOSE TO CALL was an option that'd be what I say.
Since this is a prediction thread.....I say

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JOHN KUHN
Fan Favorite; dude is a gamer who has shown great versatility as a Green Bay Packer. Packer Person. Mr Clutch, and he wants to stay in Green Bay. He stays on the ship.

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MATT WILHELM
Was one of a loot of LB's brough in. We're well stocked there and my bet is we find another as an undrafted FA.

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JASON SPITZ

A couple years ago I thought Spitz was going to be a really nice long term player. Since his back surgery I have not seen that promise. Maybe TT signes him to a one year deal. My gut tells me he's another guy TT tells to go let the market set his value and give him a shot to match.
Normally that does not work.

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ATARI BIGBY
One of the most overrated players by some of the finer posters in this forum. Dude is a great hitter but inconsistent at best as a player to rely on.....which is why TT traded up to nab Morgan Burnett a couple drafts back. Truth be told, Charlie Peprah is a better all round safety for Green Bay that Atari Bigby.

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[Lurker64]

I think Anthony Smith gets resigned. He's cheap, plays special teams, and he knows the system. Decent backup safety, and we did trade a conditional 7th round pick to get him back last year (he went on IR soon after, so I don't think he fulfilled the condition.)

[Bretsky]

Wasn't sure how to categorize Anthony Smith; I'd doubt he gets signed in the 3 day window but I could see him coming back for minimal wage. He might get cut again though

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Agree with everything expect Splitz. While we have some good players on the oline, we are not so deep that we couldn't use him as a back-up. With his injury concerns I don't think there will be a lot of teams after him. I think he comes back on a one year deal and competes for a spot. With his back surgery being over a year old he could surprise and play at a pretty decent level.

I see Crosby, Kuhn, and Splitz being re-signed.

Edit: I would really like to keep JJ as well, but I think some team will throw a lot of money at him. If they don't and the season is only 2 weeks away and he's still unsigned, I could see him accepting a one year deal. If no team is offering him big money, it wouldn't benefit him to leave. He would have to learn a new offense in a short period of time and probably would have a worse QB throwing him the ball. Thats probably not going to get him a big deal the following year either. Might as well play in the same offense with weapons on over the field and Rodgers throwing you passes. Plus I could see him beating out Driver and Nelson in training camp.

[vince]

Re-signed
Crosby
Smith
Kuhn
Wilhelm

Gone
Jenkins
Colledge
Jones
Hall
Spitz
Jackson
Bigby

[hoosier]

I don't think TT will do it, but I agree with making a push to re-sign Jones assuming he's willing to come back for reasonable numbers. If he wants to test the market, however, it may not be practical to keep him. Given Driver's injuries and overall decline last year, coupled with Cobb's inexperience, I think the Packers will be limiting themselves offensively if they let Jones walk. But given his inconsistencies and the number of quality Packers whose contracts expire after this year, I wouldn't break the bank to keep him.

[mraynrand]

I don't think TT will do it, but I agree with making a push to re-sign Jones assuming he's willing to come back for reasonable numbers. If he wants to test the market, however, it may not be practical to keep him. Given Driver's injuries and overall decline last year, coupled with Cobb's inexperience, I think the Packers will be limiting themselves offensively if they let Jones walk. But given his inconsistencies and the number of quality Packers whose contracts expire after this year, I wouldn't break the bank to keep him.

+1 - unless TT and MM have some other ideas up their sleeves with Cobb and all the TEs they drafted - and think it's Brett Swain's 'breakout year.'

[vince]

If Jones walks, I don't think they'll miss him whatsoever. It'll just be more opportunities for Finley, Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Cobb, Quarless, Williams, ....

[bobblehead]

I think Hall is back and Kuhn is gone. My only shocker. The main dudes, Crosby, Jackson, Jenkins, Jones; they all depend on what other teams offer. I don't see TT resigning any of them in a 3 day window (why would they not test the market at this point?)

[Tony Oday]

Re-signed
Smith
Kuhn
Jenkins
Colledge
Jones
Spitz


Gone

Crosby
Wilhelm
Hall
Jackson
Bigby

[Deputy Nutz]

I don't know how you get rid of Kuhn and his flexiblity. He has the ability to play both running back positions and he plays a lot of special teams. MM and TT like player that are flexible more than anything else.

[hoosier]

If Jones walks, I don't think they'll miss him whatsoever. It'll just be more opportunities for Finley, Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Cobb, Quarless, Williams, ....

Jones's greatest strengths have been his ability to get open in the red zone, fight for extra yardage in the flats, and burn defenders deep when they try to jam him. Granted, when he burns them deep he drops the ball about 50% of the time. But having one of their lesser known receivers be able to step up and turn into a playmaker when the stars are getting coverages rolled their way has been a huge bonus for the Packers offense. I question whether Quarless or Williams can do what Jones does on the outside when teams are paying too much attention to Jennings and/or Finley. I've seen Nelson do that exactly twice (against NYG in week 16 and in the SB). Until I see otherwise, I am assuming Driver is probably past the point of being able to do what he could do three years ago. Cobb, who knows? If he can become a regular part of the offense before the end of the year I will count that as a success. Until then I think the Packers have two or three playmakers catching Rodgers's passes. Having a fourth, despite his obvious warts, would be nice.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

If Jones walks, I don't think they'll miss him whatsoever. It'll just be more opportunities for Finley, Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Cobb, Quarless, Williams, ....

I don't know if I would say whatsoever, but I agree we are well equipped to handle his loss. This is probably a very unpopular statement, but I would take Jones over Nelson, Driver, and Cobb right now. So IMO I feel that we are losing a starter. He drops a lot of passes, but not anymore than Nelson and Driver. If I'm not mistaken these were the drops last season:

Jones: 10
Nelson: 10
Driver: 7
Jennings: 3

I think we just remember JJ drops more b/c they probably would have been big plays. But I think he is the second most talented Wr on the roster. I wouldn’t count Driver as a starting Wr anymore, and esp. with the lockout I wouldn’t expect much from Cobb as a receiving threat right out the gate.

[ThunderDan]

I don't know if I would say whatsoever, but I agree we are well equipped to handle his loss. This is probably a very unpopular statement, but I would take Jones over Nelson, Driver, and Cobb right now. So IMO I feel that we are losing a starter. He drops a lot of passes, but not anymore than Nelson and Driver. If I'm not mistaken these were the drops last season:

Jones: 10
Nelson: 10
Driver: 7
Jennings: 3

I think we just remember JJ drops more b/c they probably would have been big plays. But I think he is the second most talented Wr on the roster. I wouldn’t count Driver as a starting Wr anymore, and esp. with the lockout I wouldn’t expect much from Cobb as a receiving threat right out the gate.

Add in his 3 fumbles on 50 caught balls in 2010.

While this aren't exact numbers you have 60 balls went to James Jones that he could have caught in 2010.

10 were dropped and 3 were fumbled. That's over 21% of the time JJ is targeted that a bad outcome occurs.

With my "unoffical" stats method we have:

Jennings - 79 attempts, 3 drops, 2 fumbles - 6.3% failure rate
Driver - 58 attempts, 7 drops, 1 fumble - 13.8% failure rate
Nelson - 55 attempts, 10 drops, 3 fumbles - 23.6% failure rate
Jones - 60 attempts, 10 drops, 3 fumbles - 21.7% failure rate

That pretty much proves to me why Jones and Nelson are fighting for the 3rd WR spot.

And another note:

Driver - 698 career catches - 8 career fumbles - 1.15%
Jennings - 322 cc - 5 cf - 1.55%
Jones - 149 cc - 6 cf - 4.03%
Nelson - 100 cc - 6 cf - 6.00%

Way too much ball on the turf for Jones and Nelson to be serious #1 or 2 WRs in the NFL.

[Patler]

I think Hall is back and Kuhn is gone. My only shocker. The main dudes, Crosby, Jackson, Jenkins, Jones; they all depend on what other teams offer. I don't see TT resigning any of them in a 3 day window (why would they not test the market at this point?)

Curious, why Hall over Kuhn? I know the prevailing thought is that Hall is better at ST and a better blocker, but Kuhn adds an offensive threat that Hall never has as a runner or receiver. But for me the clincher is that Hall seems to miss about 4 games every year with injuries, while playing very few snaps. Just too unreliable to take him over Kuhn.