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I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
Its just a weird term to give an NFL player, but maybe that's just me. How about exceptional? As a side, between the nfc and afc rosters and the alternates, the top 2 players in the league usually make the pro bowl.
Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967
I think Raji, Woodson, and Matthews are all "special" and that's one "special" player on each level of the defense. That's better than a lot of teams can claim.
There's just not a lot of holes on the squad. That makes it pretty exceptional.
What's our weakest position?
DL? Two of the three DL starters are Raji and Pickett. I'll take it.
Safety? Well, we have Collins, and Peprah played well. Burnett is up and coming. Woodson fits in there somewhere.
Sure, we can complain a little about the OLB opposite Mathews.
TE and FB, I guess. If Finley comes back 100%, TE isn't much of a problem either!
Left Guard is a question. Well, the tackles look to be in place, center is a 6yr journeyman that doesn't make a lot of mistake, and our RG is Sitton. I'll take that.
We're just damn solid from one end to the other.
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Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...
I really don't think the Jets on defense are all that talented. They have tremendous talent at CB and ILB, but their safeties, OLBs, and DL aren't all that special. They're very talented on offense, except for the fact that their QB is Mark Sanchez.
The Eagles have a lot of individually talented players, but they have a few major holes on their roster, notably along the OL, the safeties, and the linebackers. That team also needs Vick to play out of his mind. If Vick is average or worse, they don't have a chance, since that defense can stop people in nickel, but not really in base so if the Iggles find themselves in a grinder, that's a problem for them if Vick can't outplay the other QB.
Saints, Pats, and Steelers are probably about on par overall with the Packers in terms of talent. With the Steelers you worry about their age on defense, and with the Saints you worry about their offensive tackles and their front 7 on defense. Pats are potentially fantastic on paper, though.
The Packers have Pro Bowl caliber players in every area of the roster. That makes them special.
QB Rodgers
RB Grant
WR Jennings
TE Finley
OL Sitton, Clifton
DL Raji
LB Matthews
CB Woodson, Williams
S Collins
I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
I suppose DL (Neal's health in particular), RG and LB opposite CM3 are the only real holes/concerns we have right now. I'm sure there isn't a team in the league that doesn't have holes like this somewhere on their roster. But I'm pretty sure most teams have more issues than we do!
I suppose DL (Neal's health in particular), RG and LB opposite CM3 are the only real holes/concerns we have right now. I'm sure there isn't a team in the league that doesn't have holes like this somewhere on their roster. But I'm pretty sure most teams have more issues than we do!
I'm SURE you mean LG. Sitton is the RG, far from a hole there
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Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...
There's just not a lot of holes on the squad. That makes it pretty exceptional.
What's our weakest position?
DL? Two of the three DL starters are Raji and Pickett. I'll take it.
Safety? Well, we have Collins, and Peprah played well. Burnett is up and coming. Woodson fits in there somewhere.
Sure, we can complain a little about the OLB opposite Mathews.
TE and FB, I guess. If Finley comes back 100%, TE isn't much of a problem either!
Left Guard is a question. Well, the tackles look to be in place, center is a 6yr journeyman that doesn't make a lot of mistake, and our RG is Sitton. I'll take that.
We're just damn solid from one end to the other.
What you said. I don't subscribe to the "playmaker" theory, but I subscribe to the theory that says if you have no holes on the field, players start making plays all over the place. A normal probowler begins to look like a "playmaker" (all world type). A really good starter looks like a probowler. An average starter looks good. A below average starter looks serviceable.
Add to this that QB is by far the most important position in pro sports and we have a "special" roster for sure.
The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi
This roster is special. We'll be able to look back at this era of Green Bay football, and some of the young players (present and future), and stack them up next to any team in the history of the NFL. Player-for-player. All great teams have made good players "great" from a historical perspective... that's part of being a component in the machine.
It's just too new and young to be able to quantify the talent on this team but time, I think, will ultimately do that.
What you said. I don't subscribe to the "playmaker" theory, but I subscribe to the theory that says if you have no holes on the field, players start making plays all over the place. A normal probowler begins to look like a "playmaker" (all world type). A really good starter looks like a probowler. An average starter looks good. A below average starter looks serviceable.
Sorry I missed your post, but obviously I agree. Good players become beasts on teams where everyone else is at least holding their own.
I'm sort-of kidding. I remember many years when I've looked at the Packers, and especially the Badgers, at the start of the team and thought, "no holes." Then the team goes .500
I just think fans can not be objective. We look at the potential of players, we hope, and always guess they are above average, like the children of Lake Wobagon.
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