Could the Seahawks be a trade partner?

[Brandon494]

I know they are both white but Fylnn is no where near as good as Kolb. Kolb was a former 2nd round pick who many (not myself) believe to be a franchise QB. Fylnn is a former 7th round pick who's a good backup but would be a average starter at best in the NFL. One article by some no name writer about him being the best backup QB and GB homers hyping him up is not going to make his trade value increase. We would get a 4th round pick at best for him.

[wootah]

Kolb was a former 2nd round pick who many (not myself) believe to be a franchise QB. Fylnn is a former 7th round pick who's a good backup but would be a average starter at best in the NFL.

So you believe both are of average quality, and the only reason why Kolb would be worth more is his drafting slot.

What?

[retailguy]

So you believe both are of average quality, and the only reason why Kolb would be worth more is his drafting slot.

What?

Brandon's got a "gut feel" for these things. You just have to trust him. Now, if Flynn had been a 6th round pick, instead of 7th, ala Hasselbeck, then you might have something, but that's clearly not the case.

[Brandon494]

Where did I say Kolb was average?

What?

[Brandon494]

I gave your mom a gut feeling last night

[retailguy]

I gave your mom a gut feeling last night

Good one Brandon!

My guess is that you haven't spent a bunch of time in the Wisconsin northwoods. If you ever do visit, you'd better call her first. I always make sure to remind her to put the sawed off shotgun away that she keeps by the door loaded with buckshot so she doesn't scare the children. Oh, BTW, it isn't to "get rid" of the "varmints". Well, not the animal kind anyhow.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I gave your mom a gut feeling last night

she threw up when she saw you naked?

[pbmax]

So you believe both are of average quality, and the only reason why Kolb would be worth more is his drafting slot.

What?

Franchise Starter>>????????????>>Average Starter

Small bit of room there. But even more to the point, Kolb had more starts and playing time overall. Flynn has 1.5 reg season games on film, Kolb has seven starts and 19 games played, plus at one point he ascended, briefly, to the starting QB gig and lost it only to injury and Vicks good play.

Add that up plus a Cardinals team desperate for a QB to placate Fitzgerald and you have a team desperate enough to overpay. The Packers never solicited offers (there aren't even rumors about it) and its way to close to the beginning of the season. The market for Flynn would be very low right now.

[wootah]

Where did I say Kolb was average?

A couple of posts higher:

Kolb was a former 2nd round pick who many (not myself) believe to be a franchise QB.

If you're not a franchise QB, you're either an average, replaceable QB or a bad QB, not? Or is that too straightforward and you use the whole AA+ or BB- rating that's en vogue now?

Even if you think Kolb is better than Flynn, referencing the impact of the draft slot is just "talking none since" (©J.Finley).

[wootah]

But even more to the point, Kolb had more starts and playing time overall. Flynn has 1.5 reg season games on film, Kolb has seven starts and 19 games played, plus at one point he ascended, briefly, to the starting QB gig and lost it only to injury and Vicks good play.

Add that up plus a Cardinals team desperate for a QB to placate Fitzgerald and you have a team desperate enough to overpay.

I completely agree, PB. But the same can be the case for Flynn; it only takes 1 GM desperate enough to pull the trigger. I don't think the difference between Kolb & Flynn is as big as Brandon makes it out to be and I'm convinced that their draft slot will not impact their value at all (cfr. Brohm).

[pbmax]

A couple of posts higher:


If you're not a franchise QB, you're either an average, replaceable QB or a bad QB, not? Or is that too straightforward and you use the whole AA+ or BB- rating that's en vogue now?

Even if you think Kolb is better than Flynn, referencing the impact of the draft slot is just "talking none since" (©J.Finley).

Come on wootah, this is like the Partial debate of Rodgers ranking.

Franchise QBs = Brady, Manning, Brees

Average QBs = Kyle Orton, David Garrard, Eli Manning

[Pugger]

Where a player is drafted in only important on draft day. Just ask Tom Brady.

[pbmax]

I completely agree, PB. But the same can be the case for Flynn; it only takes 1 GM desperate enough to pull the trigger. I don't think the difference between Kolb & Flynn is as big as Brandon makes it out to be and I'm convinced that their draft slot will not impact their value at all (cfr. Brohm).

I think the draft slot does pertain to one thing: upside, or perhaps more accurately, ceiling. He has the physical traits, production and starts that qualified him for the (traditional) first day of the draft. Flynn did not. Its not a perfect indicator, and the farther we are away from it, it means less. But it does tell us something about the reach of his ability.

[Pugger]

BYW, I'm not comparing Kolb or Flynn to Brady by any means, just the fact that where a player is drafted doesn't mean much if he can show he can play. Poor Brohm was drafted high but we all know what happened to him.

[wootah]

Come on wootah, this is like the Partial debate of Rodgers ranking.

Franchise QBs = Brady, Manning, Brees

Average QBs = Kyle Orton, David Garrard, Eli Manning

He said he didn't think Kolb was a franchise QB and that Flynn was average at best. Maybe I jumped to conclusions here, I'm willing to admit that, but I'm not agreeing with you on the draft slot part.

I think the draft slot does pertain to one thing: upside, or perhaps more accurately, ceiling. He has the physical traits, production and starts that qualified him for the (traditional) first day of the draft. Flynn did not. Its not a perfect indicator, and the farther we are away from it, it means less. But it does tell us something about the reach of his ability.

This I don't agree with, PB. It only takes one silly guy pulling the trigger. Insert Al Davis picture here. Or what about Sam Shields. Ceiling is only one of more aspects.