Here we go again

[Pugger]

If Justin Harrell is healthy he might get a call if we lose another D lineman...

[rbaloha1]

If Justin Harrell is healthy he might get a call if we lose another D lineman...

Yes! I still maintain this guy can contribute.

[sharpe1027]

Neal - his problem was apparently a meniscus tear. Why wait a whole month before giving him an arthoscope?

In hindsight they could have done it immediately, but you want to be sure before you do an unnecessary surgery. Besides the potential of lengthening the recovery time if the surgery was not needed, there are serious risks to any surgery. It is not something you want to do just to take a look. Look at what happened with Finley when he had to have a second surgery because of an infection.

[Harlan Huckleby]

there are serious risks to any surgery. It is not something you want to do just to take a look. Look at what happened with Finley when he had to have a second surgery because of an infection.

Actally, an arthoscope is a procedure done sometimes to "just have a look", and the recovery (if you don't do any repairs) is trivial. Maybe for a normal person it would be somewhat unusual, but for a professional athlete? Take a damn peek!

Valid point on the infection. I had a knee surgery that led to infection that resulted in a month long hospital stay and a very long recovery, back in highschool. It turns out that the surgeon was an alchoholic hack - I'm not joking. My family didn't get the full story until too late. Dr McCain - known familiarly as "Pain McCain."

[hoosier]

Jamal Reynolds, Joe Johnson, Justin Harrell, Johnny Jolly, Mike Neal: the Packers have a fairly long line of disappointments at defensive end, guys who had early success or who appeared to be primed for it but who, for one reason or another, just couldn't stay on the field. Or who, in the case of Reynolds, were just horribly overrated. Even worse, the curse appears to be spreading--it is no longer limited to players with a name beginning with "J".

[Guiness]

Actally, an arthoscope is a procedure done sometimes to "just have a look", and the recovery (if you don't do any repairs) is trivial. Maybe for a normal person it would be somewhat unusual, but for a professional athlete? Take a damn peek!

Valid point on the infection. I had a knee surgery that led to infection that resulted in a month long hospital stay and a very long recovery, back in highschool. It turns out that the surgeon was an alchoholic hack - I'm not joking. My family didn't get the full story until too late. Dr McCain - known familiarly as "Pain McCain."

Wow.

Had surgery done on my toe that didn't work by a doctor McCain. I'd guess he was a drinker.
Same guy? Certainly possible. He had a good reputation, but didn't do me any favours.

Any idea if the guy relocated his practice to Canada?????

[Harlan Huckleby]

This was a McCain in twin cities back around 1976. Maybe he had a son - the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree.

[Guiness]

It was about 5-6 years ago, but the guy was in his sixties at least.

[sharpe1027]

Actally, an arthoscope is a procedure done sometimes to "just have a look", and the recovery (if you don't do any repairs) is trivial. Maybe for a normal person it would be somewhat unusual, but for a professional athlete? Take a damn peek!

Valid point on the infection. I had a knee surgery that led to infection that resulted in a month long hospital stay and a very long recovery, back in highschool. It turns out that the surgeon was an alchoholic hack - I'm not joking. My family didn't get the full story until too late. Dr McCain - known familiarly as "Pain McCain."

Do they do that "just have a look" even if they don't have many indications that surgery is going to be required? Seems extreme to put someone under if the have a little swelling and pain in their knees. Clifton would be going under the knife after every practice!

[Harlan Huckleby]

It was about 5-6 years ago, but the guy was in his sixties at least.

Pain McCain was around 60 in 1976

[Harlan Huckleby]

Do they do that "just have a look" even if they don't have many indications that surgery is going to be required? Seems extreme to put someone under if the have a little swelling and pain in their knees. Clifton would be going under the knife after every practice!

Right, I was suggesting that you fire-up the scope after a week. You can tell when there is a signficant tear after that period, sensitivity to pressure.
Sometimes little cartilege tears will wear-down and heal themselves. Othertimes they rip more.

Exploratory Arthoscope "surgery" barely qualifies as surgery. They make a tiny hole and stick a fiber optic tube in ya. No more invasive than a typical night of sex between nutz and skinbasket.

ps. I don't entirely know what the fuck I'm talking about. I'm sure about Skin & Nutz, but there may be more trauma with the Arthoscope than I know.

[Fritz]

I read elsewhere that maybe it was a bursa sack.

I believe skinbasket would be the expert on sacks.

[Fritz]

Okay, the JSO injury report lists Williams, and now Alex Green as questionable. So'oto, Zombo, Neal all out.

My guess is neither Williams nor Green will play. That would be five guys out for the game. Carolina has one - Otah, the RT.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I remember the good-old-days when there was weeping and gnashing of teeth over the loss of Zombo for 3 or 4 games. Now it is questionable whether So'oto or Neal are coming back at all. I'm guessing the Zombo panic-attack exhausted the fan anxiety pool for the season.

[pbmax]

Aaron Kampman still out for the Jaguars this week. He has missed a lot of time in his last three years.