A Hater's Take, Part II

[CaptainD]

I don't see a reason for him to be on the field instead of Starks unless it is to spell Starks.

Simple because Starks can't pass block and keeps f'ing up assignments. He blew a block in the 2nd quarter I believe and they pulled him for Grant.
When #12 is your franchise and you keep exposing him your not getting on the field full time.

[bobblehead]

The packers should never run left because Clifton can't run block at all.

QFT...bring on the younger generation.

[Pugger]

Simple because Starks can't pass block and keeps f'ing up assignments. He blew a block in the 2nd quarter I believe and they pulled him for Grant.When #12 is your franchise and you keep exposing him your not getting on the field full time.

This.

And the game itself? It isn't easy to watch a game like this but this team did what championship teams do: they found a way to win when they weren't at their best. I didn't mind Rodgers being frustrated yesterday. He wasn't alone.

[pbmax]

I don't like it when Manning or Brady do it either. Manning always looks like a crybaby when he is bitching at his teammates. Coaches are the ones that demand perfection, not quarterbacks. If McCarthy doesn't like what he sees then he can go chew a little ass, but Rodgers needs to go on to the next play. Nobody bitched at him when he missed Jennings two times in a row for a first down.

Agree. It doesn't pay off long term to do this. One of the things I admired about Favre was that he kept most of that private, and did not display those feelings on the field until much later in his career. And even then I don't think it helped him at all.

[Deputy Nutz]

In Favre's case I remember during McCarthy's first year as coach he got after Clifton and Colledge a couple of times. Favre was pressing late in his career to win and it sometimes brought out the worst of his character. You don't lead the NFL in all time interceptions thrown and then bitch at teammates on the field. Favre understood mistakes better than anyone, whether it was throwning INTs or getting a receiver decked by throwing high over the middle.

[Joemailman]

It's not Rodgers' best trait, but he's not afraid to point out his own faults, so I don't think it will descend into a problem. He took responsibility for the missed pass to Jordy Nelson at the goal line in his PC yesterday. I think he gets frustrated when he senses the offense is not playing well, but I don't think he's looking for someone to blame.

[Deputy Nutz]

He should take responsiblity, but that isn't the point, when he is showing frustration at another teammate, that is showing up the teammate for all the world to see. You saw what happened three seasons ago when Finley called out Rodgers when Finley was a rookie, the guy was massacred. It doesn't go both ways when it is the QB and another players

[Joemailman]

I agree with you that it's not a good thing when he lets his frustration with a teammate show. However, I wouldn't compare it to what Finley did. Finley was using the media to call out Rodgers. I'm pretty sure Rodgers has never done that, and the coaching staff would have a big problem with it if he did.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He should run down the field and show the receiver how the route should be run when the receiver messes up--like Favre used to do.

[pbmax]

He should run down the field and show the receiver how the route should be run when the receiver messes up--like Favre used to do.

Video?

[Bretsky]

He should run down the field and show the receiver how the route should be run when the receiver messes up--like Favre used to do.

I don't remember Favre running any pass routes and if he did I'd bet they were ugly

[HarveyWallbangers]

I doubt there's video on it, but I remember it vividly. I think it was the year Favre had all of the injuries at WR (2005 maybe), and there were young guys playing. Favre was in full frustration mode. A receiver would run a bad route, and he'd run down the field and physically show the receiver how to turn out rather than in... or whatever.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Maybe Rodgers should blast his receivers over their contracts (like Favre) or openly campaign for management to sign another receiver to replace one of the receivers currently on the roster (like Favre did with Moss)--instead of campaigning management to resign his guys.

"Sure, Sterling's the guy I've thrown to the most the last two years," said Favre, who signed his own five-year, $19 million blockbuster deal on July 14. "But I can't fold my tent, then walk into the huddle and let the others see that I've given up. In my opinion Sterling's under contract, and he should honor that contract."

Favre offended Walker when he spoke out against the receiver in his contract dispute, saying he should come to training camp and not hold out. (Walker heeded the advice.) Walker believes Favre's comments made living and working in Wisconsin difficult; Walker tells of one instance when he was in a hotel and an employee announced his presence on an Internet message board for "anyone who had something to say to Javon Walker." It also angered Walker that the team allowed its iconic quarterback to interfere publicly in a teammate's business with management. He held his tongue all year.

"There's an unwritten rule that players stick together," said Walker, still biting his tongue on Favre for the most part.

Quite honestly, I could care less if Favre said these things. I may even agree with him, but nitpicking Rodgers for not always smiling on the field when things go wrong is a little absurd to me.

[pbmax]

Don't remember route running in 2005, but he did get more vocal and visible on the field late in his career, so it fits with my memories. And I don't think it helped him at all.

Which is why Rodgers would do well to mimic earlier Favre (or pick any other even tempered QB you would like, say Joe Montana (his personal favorite) or Steve Young).

Will it stall his career? No. Is it unnecessary? Yes.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'll take some grimaces over the alternative.

Updated: May 15, 2007, 11:33 PM ET

MILWAUKEE -- Although Brett Favre plans to skip the Green Bay Packers' mandatory minicamp this weekend, he might not be excused by Packers coach Mike McCarthy.

McCarthy was not available for comment Tuesday, but team spokesman Jeff Blumb said that as far as McCarthy was concerned, "the camp is mandatory."

The Packers' three-day minicamp begins Friday, and Favre could face fines from the team if he fails to show up without being formally excused.

Favre told the Biloxi (Miss.) Sun-Herald that because he is unable to practice while recovering from offseason ankle surgery, he is going to stay home in Mississippi -- where he'll apparently try his hand at party planning.

"They were going to have me sit out anyway," Favre said, in a story that appeared on the paper's Web site on Tuesday. "To be honest, we have [daughter] Brittany graduating in two weeks. Instead of going up there and not doing anything, I will be better off being at home because of graduation parties and banquets."

Favre said the move is not related to his frustration with the team's unwillingness to complete a trade for wide receiver Randy Moss.

"I am frustrated," Favre told the paper. "But being frustrated and not going are not related."

Favre spent Saturday grousing about the Packers' front office in a handful of interviews conducted at his charity golf tournament in Tunica, Miss. On Sunday, Fox Sports' Web site reported that Favre's agent requested a trade shortly after the Packers failed to land Moss during the NFL draft last month. Moss instead was traded from Oakland to New England.