funny Jordy Nelson article...

[vince]

I think questioning whether this guy is as good as or better than that guy in the league is misguided thinking, or at least attempting to oversimplify something that is not that simple. The players are on different teams in different offenses with different opportunities and are asked to do different things at different times in the evolution of the other players on their team.

The reality is that Jordy Nelson is as good as he is right now because he's worked with Rodgers in this this offense for as long as he has. It's about understanding what the coaches and Rodgers want from him and being on the same page making adjustments. Nelson is better now in this offense than most every other receiver would be in this offense now - regardless of his relative talent level - because he has years of experience in working on the nuances of being effective at what they're trying to do.

Same with Starks. Who cares whether he's the 10th or 25th most talented back in the league? The important question is how effective is he in this offense with this team at this time with the opportunities he has and what they're asking him to do relative to the other players on this team - not someone else's. It's far more about execution, and talent isn't the strongest determinant of that at any point in time. The question of whether Deangelo Williams has more or less talent is irrelevant to the question of whether James Starks is as effective as he can be and needs to be given his opportunities and how he fits with what they're trying to accomplish in this offense.

[sharpe1027]

Good point Vince, but what will we talk about if we can't discuss whether player A is better than player B?

[Kiwon]

Jordy is 15th in total yards, 20th in yards per game, 44th in total receptions and 3rd in total TDs. A good year so far, but I agree he's not a top ten WR by any stretch of the imagination.

The stats don't tell the whole story given that the Packers have so many weapons. A-Rod spreads the wealth around very nicely.

There's a bunch of teams barely above .500 and below where Nelson would be the featured receiver. His speed is his best asset and that's what separates him from the White receivers that play "Black" or the Black receivers that play "White" Jordy's one of the top shelf bro'ddhas

[SkinBasket]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-nelson-catches-everyones-attention-or34ivq-134220543.html

Good to see his teammates are reinforcing the Nelson racism. The only examples his black teammates can compare him to are other white guys? Ricky Proehl? Ed McCaffrey?

That's like saying Cam Newton reminds me of an intellectually retarded Warren Moon. That's the problem with black people. They're all so damn racist.

[sharpe1027]

The stats don't tell the whole story given that the Packers have so many weapons. A-Rod spreads the wealth around very nicely.

There's a bunch of teams barely above .500 and below where Nelson would be the featured receiver. His speed is his best asset and that's what separates him from the White receivers that play "Black" or the Black receivers that play "White" Jordy's one of the top shelf bro'ddhas

No they do not, but they are somewhere to begin the argument. It is tough to argue that a WR is top ten when their stats are more like top 25. You need quite a bit of opinion-based argument to make up the gap.. Jordy is also benefiting from being on the best passing offense in the NFL, the best QB and two other threats that usually draw more attention then he does. Even if he was the #1 WR on those teams, which is a bit of an assumption, that would not automatically make him a top 10 WR.

[mraynrand]

It's the same way in the NBA where John Stockton and Steve Nash were always referred to as "the next Leo “Ace” Gottlieb."

[Brandon494]

Lmao coming from the guy who tried to compare Kuhn to Peyton Hillis last season. Not to mention some other fans who tried to compare Kuhn to John Riggins and Cam to Russell. Ed McCaffrey is actually a pretty good comparison IMO.

[mraynrand]

^ coming from the guy who tried to compare Kuhn to Peyton Hillis last season lmao. Not to mention some other fans who tried to compare Kuhn to John Riggins and Cam to Russell. Ed McCaffrey is actually a pretty good comparison IMO.

I trust you're referring to The Skinbasket. I recall comparing Kuhn and Hillis last year. I believe I said Kuhn is nowhere near the runner the Hillis is. Turns out that Kuhn may also not be the total jerk that Hillis is either, if reports from the Cleveland lockerroom are to be believed.

[Pugger]

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/other_nfl/view.bg?articleid=1382673&srvc=sports&position=recent

[Guiness]

Originally Posted by gbgary

jennings called him the #2.

Jennings also called Driver our #1 after the Super Bowl.

So...Driver's #1, Jordy's #2. That makes Jennings out #3? lol, methinks he's trying to draw the nickel back in coverage! Smart guy!

[Guiness]

Lmao coming from the guy who tried to compare Kuhn to Peyton Hillis last season. Not to mention some other fans who tried to compare Kuhn to John Riggins and Cam to Russell. Ed McCaffrey is actually a pretty good comparison IMO.

I don't know who I'd compare him to. McCaffrey always seemed to me to be a guy who was strong, and overpowered DB's - like David Boston? That's not Jordy.

Jordy has great long speed and stretches the field on seam, post and go routes. Sure hands, and can beat the first defender after he's got the ball. Does he go over the middle at all? I don't remember many of those catches. I also don't remember him catching many jump balls over DB's, he usually gets his catches by getting a step and turning on the speed, catching the ball in stride. Maybe I'm forgetting some catches?

Not sure who that describes. Isaac Bruce?

[SkinBasket]

Lmao coming from the guy who tried to compare Kuhn to Peyton Hillis last season. Not to mention some other fans who tried to compare Kuhn to John Riggins and Cam to Russell. Ed McCaffrey is actually a pretty good comparison IMO.

I trust you're referring to The Skinbasket. I recall comparing Kuhn and Hillis last year. I believe I said Kuhn is nowhere near the runner the Hillis is. Turns out that Kuhn may also not be the total jerk that Hillis is either, if reports from the Cleveland lockerroom are to be believed.

I'm not sure who he's talking about. His racism makes his memory soft. For anyone who's interested in how Cam and Russell have done in their first full seasons of play:

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	INT	FUM	RAT
198	368	53.8	2,423	6.58	13	84	8	11	77.1
219	365	60.0	2,885	7.90	12	77	14	3	80.0

Not really all that different. Here's to hoping Cam can show more restraint at the KFC in the off-season than JaMarcus did.

[Guiness]

I'm not sure who he's talking about. His racism makes his memory soft. For anyone who's interested in how Cam and Russell have done in their first full seasons of play:

CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	INT	FUM	RAT
198	368	53.8	2,423	6.58	13	84	8	11	77.1
219	365	60.0	2,885	7.90	12	77	14	3	80.0

Not really all that different. Here's to hoping Cam can show more restraint at the KFC in the off-season than JaMarcus did.

Wow, 11 fumbles? Just checked, and he got sacked 31 times. Enough, but not excessive.

[SkinBasket]

Wow, 11 fumbles? Just checked, and he got sacked 31 times. Enough, but not excessive.

It was those fat sausage fingers filled with gravy and orange drink.

[pbmax]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...134220543.html

Good to see his teammates are reinforcing the Nelson racism. The only examples his black teammates can compare him to are other white guys? Ricky Proehl? Ed McCaffrey?

That's like saying Cam Newton reminds me of an intellectually retarded Warren Moon. That's the problem with black people. They're all so damn racist.

Rodgers did the same thing in the radio interview, then sort of regained his footing by saying he was faster and more athletic than those guys. Someone should just compare him to Anquan Boldin or David Boston and get over the hump.