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  • Offensive rookie of the year?

    By week three Cam Newton had won the award and it was a no brainer, however after nine games it looks quite different. Andy Dalton has a 2 - 1 td to interception ratio and has thrown more tds than any rookie after nine games. His team is 6-3.
    Cam Newton has more picks than tds, and has been less and less effective as the season goes on.

    Both inherited very poor dysfunctional teams. Who is your OROY?

    My pick is Dalton, less famous but more effective.
    All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

    George Orwell

  • #2
    Cam, you forget to mention his TD rushes and the Panthers are asking a lot more of him then the Bengals are of Dalton.

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    • #3
      It's close--which is surprising. If the Bengals end up making the playoffs, Dalton stands a good chance of winning the award. I think Newton will end up being a better QB, but Dalton has surprisingly solid his rookie year.
      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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      • #4
        Dalton. I'm not saying Cam is playing poorly, but I'm pretty sure Carolina and Cincy both asked the same thing from each player: "Be our quarterback and win games." Really should be a poll question.
        - Once again, adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.

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        • #5
          I would like to see this as a poll as well. Can some one please do this for me?
          Also just so no one thinks I am a racist cam hater, I called him the anti Vince Young earlier (which is a huge compliment in my opinion, 39 obaloo)
          All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

          George Orwell

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          • #6
            ^ Bengals are a run first team which really helps out the QB. Panthers get no support from his running game and is asked to throw a lot more. The Panthers also have one of the worst defenses in the league while the Bengals have a top ten, that's why Bengals have a better record.

            Cam has broken two NFL records this year, 3rd in the NFL in rushing TDs, higher QB rating, and has thrown for more yards and yards per attempt. I like Dalton but lets get real here, don't let your hate for Cam block common sense.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Brandon494 View Post
              Cam has broken two NFL records this year, 3rd in the NFL in rushing TDs, higher QB rating, and has thrown for more yards and yards per attempt. I like Dalton but lets get real here, don't let your hate for Cam block common sense.
              *Sigh* Another myopic, libelous posting. People will look at all the facts, including the surrounding cast of characters, when deciding who is more deserving of this award. Of course, if you accuse people with whom you disagree of hatred, it's far easier to dismiss them and their arguments. Kinda simplifies things, doesn't it? You don't even have to think.
              "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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              • #8
                It's a QB dominated league I know, and I haven't looked up his production, but Von Miller is a stud.

                EDIT: He has 9.5 sacks in his first 10 games. I think he's going to be a beast for years to come. Newton could too, but if I had to pick one and bet my life on it today, I'd take Miller.

                EDIT No. 2: I guess I could have re-read the thread title.

                I'm in the camp that thinks Newton will be the better player, but Dalton has been impressive and has made this a real race.
                Last edited by vince; 11-18-2011, 12:03 PM.

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                • #9
                  cam had the better first half but dalton is coming on. both have been great for rookies...heck there are veteran qbs that would love to have the stats of these guys. it's gonna be a good race to see who gets it. if dallas' demarco murray keeps it up he may steal it from both of them.

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                  • #10
                    ^ yea because we all know that Cam doesnt have a reputation or anything coming out of Auburn. I don't remember any threads about "Andy Dalton is White" during the offseason. This has nothing to do with race but it's a known fact that some fans just plan out don't like Newton while there is no reason for anyone to dislike Dalton.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by vince View Post
                      It's a QB dominated league I know, and I haven't looked up his production, but Von Miller is a stud.

                      EDIT: He has 9.5 sacks in his first 10 games. I think he's going to be a beast for years to come. Newton could too, but if I had to pick one and bet my life on it today, I'd take Miller.
                      That was quite a sack he had against the Jets last night (back off Skinbasket). So bets are that he gets Defensive rook of the year for sure. Who hands out overall rook of the year honors? I usually don't pay much attention to this stuff.
                      "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                      • #12
                        Who doesn't like Newton? I don't think many people give a shit about whether he took money from a booster or whatever happened at Auburn. Some of us didn't like Vince Young coming out because he can't throw. Some of us don't like Tim Tebow's potential because he can't throw. Some of us didn't like JaMarcus Russell coming out because he's lazy. Some of us liked Newton coming out because he can throw, he's not lazy, and it seemed like he was actually a team leader. Most of these are pretty obvious now (Tebow's fate is to be determined). I think I'll be right on all four. Brandon, did you like Young and/or Russell coming out? If not, you were right on all four guys--just like me.
                        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Brandon494 View Post
                          ^ yea because we all know that Cam doesnt have a reputation or anything coming out of Auburn. I don't remember any threads about "Andy Dalton is White" during the offseason. This has nothing to do with race but it's a known fact that some fans just plan out don't like Newton while there is no reason for anyone to dislike Dalton.
                          cam's been fantastic. he may have had some detractors coming out of preseason but no one can have any doubts or negative thoughts now. dalton had his detractors too as he was picked at number 35.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Brandon494 View Post
                            ^ Bengals are a run first team which really helps out the QB. Panthers get no support from his running game and is asked to throw a lot more. The Panthers also have one of the worst defenses in the league while the Bengals have a top ten, that's why Bengals have a better record.

                            Cam has broken two NFL records this year, 3rd in the NFL in rushing TDs, higher QB rating, and has thrown for more yards and yards per attempt. I like Dalton but lets get real here, don't let your hate for Cam block common sense.
                            Yeah, it's not like Cam Newton has DeAngelo Williams or Jonathan Stewart or anything.

                            Cam's good, there's no doubt about it, I just think Dalton is playing better ball. It has nothing to do with hate either. I could give a shit about either quarterback. They're not packers. I don't have enough invested in these guys to hate them. If Cam was a QB for the Bears, well then... maybe I'd hate him.
                            - Once again, adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Brandon494 View Post
                              ^ Bengals are a run first team which really helps out the QB. Panthers get no support from his running game and is asked to throw a lot more. The Panthers also have one of the worst defenses in the league while the Bengals have a top ten, that's why Bengals have a better record.

                              Cam has broken two NFL records this year, 3rd in the NFL in rushing TDs, higher QB rating, and has thrown for more yards and yards per attempt. I like Dalton but lets get real here, don't let your hate for Cam block common sense.
                              Yeah, it's not like Cam Newton has DeAngelo Williams or Jonathan Stewart or anything.

                              Cam's good, there's no doubt about it, I just think Dalton is playing better ball. It has nothing to do with hate either. I could give a shit about either quarterback. They're not packers. I don't have enough invested in these guys to hate them. If Cam was a QB for the Bears, well then... maybe I'd hate him.
                              - Once again, adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.

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