Offensive rookie of the year?

[Brandon494]

Then provide some stats so the discussion is about that (rather than about your conclusions about other people's motives and personal feelings).

I'm good, I'm currently posting off my iPhone sitting at a poker table in AC. Don't really feel like looking for stats when I know for a fact that some fans just don't like Newton. Now just because you think Dalton is the better QB doesn't mean you don't dislike Newton, it could also mean you just don't know that much about football.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Four of the seven rushing TDs were from one yard out, another from four yards, and only two from longer than four yards. It's nice to have. I think the rushing yards are more impressive than the TDs, and I give him credit for that. That's why I slightly favor him for the award. However, Dalton has done well AND he's been clutch on a 6-3 team. Newton has not been clutch on a 2-7 team.

Total TDs
Dalton 15 (14 passing TDs, 1 rushing TD)
Newton 18 (11 passing TDs, 7 rushing TDs)

Total turnovers
Dalton 9 (9 interceptions, 0 fumbles lost)
Newton 12 (10 interceptions, 2 fumbles lost)

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm good, I'm currently posting off my iPhone sitting at a poker table in AC. Don't really feel like looking for stats when I know for a fact that some fans just don't like Newton. Now just because you think Dalton is the better QB doesn't mean you don't dislike Newton, it could also mean you just don't know that much about football.

Are we talking about who is the better QB or who should win rookie of the year? They are two different things. Team success does come into play in these awards. I'd rather have Newton on my team, but Dalton's productivity and the Bengals success makes this a close race.

[Fritz]

Brandon, I'm seeing lots of intelligent posts and debate about the merits of one quarterback and the other. Look at Harv's responses. Look what Cheeshead Craig wrote. For you to claim that if people don't agree that Cam Newton should be OROY they're just ignorant or letting personality get in the way is, well, ignorant.

[Brandon494]

Brandon, I'm seeing lots of intelligent posts and debate about the merits of one quarterback and the other. Look at Harv's responses. Look what Cheeshead Craig wrote. For you to claim that if people don't agree that Cam Newton should be OROY they're just ignorant or letting personality get in the way is, well, ignorant.

You might be right, I am a couple of drinks deep right now on these free bourbon and cokes.

[Zool]

Would you take the Bengals RB/WR/TE's or the Panthers?

Benson, Green, Simpson, Gresham
Williams/Stewart, Smith, Naane, Olsen/Shockey

Now which D would you rather have?

Is Cam penalized more because he's always playing from behind? Is he putting up the numbers because of it?
Is Dalton penalized because his team runs more and plays D? Are his numbers suffering because of it?

I'm not sure who I'd vote for right now, but if the Bengals make the playoffs I'd bet on Dalton winning. Apparently I hate Cam Newton now too. Maybe I'm a racist. Is Cam still black?

[gbgary]

You might be right, I am a couple of drinks deep right now on these free bourbon and cokes.

[mraynrand]

44 oboaloo, wins affect people's perceptions more than just about anything else. But what also impresses are unexpected outstanding stats. Like a QB who leads the team in rushing, rushing touchdowns as well as in passing. Because of the split running back sit, Newton could lead in all three. Perception does count for a lot and people justifiably see him as the entire team, even though there is a really solid surrounding cast on offense. I still think he needs to finish strong. Dalton could easily finish on a down trend as the Bengals have a tendency to fade down the stretch, and more teams will have film on Dalton. Plus, the Bengals have the Ravens twice, the Steelers, and the Texans yet to play. Dalton probably won't look so hot after those games.

[gbgary]

Is Cam still black?

clean those glasses.

[Fritz]

You might be right, I am a couple of drinks deep right now on these free bourbon and cokes.

That explains. Hope you're kicking ass at the table! And if not, enjoy those free drinks. Will you be drunk dialing your friends later?

[Brandon494]

That explains. Hope you're kicking ass at the table! And if not, enjoy those free drinks. Will you be drunk dialing your friends later?

I'm up right now, hopefully I won't do anything stupid and lose it all. I don't mind drunk dialing friends as long as I don't start drunk texting ex girlfriends.

[Fritz]

Ain't that the truth!!!

[sharpe1027]

I'm good, I'm currently posting off my iPhone sitting at a poker table in AC. Don't really feel like looking for stats when I know for a fact that some fans just don't like Newton. Now just because you think Dalton is the better QB doesn't mean you don't dislike Newton, it could also mean you just don't know that much about football.

Agreed.

[Upnorth]

So looking only at the stats Dalton leads in turnover ratio, Newton leads in ypa and rushing.
Dalton leads in wins a 'it' factor, Newton has big numbers.

I'm not a big 'it' believer but I do think turnovers are huge. On the other hand ypa is huge as well. Newton has one of the best deep threats, dalton has a great rookie receiver. I don't think you can say Newton has had that much more impact on his team than Dalton. I think long term Newton is the better pick (he has insane upside) but in year one so far Dalton has his team in playoff competition vrs last place in the division.

[channtheman]

^ yea because we all know that Cam doesnt have a reputation or anything coming out of Auburn. I don't remember any threads about "Andy Dalton is White" during the offseason. This has nothing to do with race but it's a known fact that some fans just plan out don't like Newton while there is no reason for anyone to dislike Dalton.

Didn't that fucker Dalton play for TCU and beat the Badgers? Plenty reason to hate him. Cam all the way!