The Lions are DIRTY because of JIM SCHWARTZ!!!!!

[Fritz]

Let us not forget that Tennessee is also the home of one Cortland Finnegan, also known as a very dirty player. Correct me if I'm wrong but, I believe the Schwartz was replaced by none other than Chuck Cecil. While remembered here with some fondness, Cecil was not above a little dirty play himself.

Of course, this was all under the auspices of former shit eating Chicago Bear, Jeff Fischer. As you can see, all things evil in this world start with the Bears.

This is like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon, only it's the Chicago Bears. I think Mohmmar Khadafy was a Bears fan...

[Deputy Nutz]

Detroit was one of the worst franchises in sports, and Schwartz has reuilt this orgization that was the laughing stock of the NFL. He had to infuze this team with some nastiness to get where they are. They are still short on talent, but not attitude. I really can't find fault with what he had to do to bring life back into the Lions.

[Pugger]

The Packers were the laughing stock of the league for 20 years until Harlan had the good sense to hire Wolf and allow RW to be in charge of football operations. Wolf and Holmgren didn't resort to infuze nastiness in our style of play and we were damn successful. There is nothing wrong with having an attitude but chippiness and cheap shots have no place on the gridiron.

[Deputy Nutz]

Funny, I don't think you have ever played in an organized football game. In the trenches it nothing but cheap shots, cut blocks, ankle twists, hands to the face, and shots to the nuts. Football is a dirty game, played by dirty players. You don't want to get caught stomping on a guy by the refs or the cameras that is a big no-no.
Schwartz has brought a toughness to this team, it may lack some respect, but it is what Detroit needed.

Wolf spent money, he got Favre, and spent the cash to get White. He found some great pillars to build his team around.

[pbmax]

Funny, I don't think you have ever played in an organized football game. In the trenches it nothing but cheap shots, cut blocks, ankle twists, hands to the face, and shots to the nuts. Football is a dirty game, played by dirty players. You don't want to get caught stomping on a guy by the refs or the cameras that is a big no-no.
Schwartz has brought a toughness to this team, it may lack some respect, but it is what Detroit needed.

Wolf spent money, he got Favre, and spent the cash to get White. He found some great pillars to build his team around.

It's slightly more than a fine line between bringing toughness and kicking someone when they are down on the ground. And I say this as someone who has intentionally run over a down player on the LOS after they went to cut my legs. I don't recall even Wayne Simmons kicking other players even as he was blasting and rag dolling them, and Holmgren didn't think Simmons could be controlled.

If Schwartz has nothing else but this in his bag of tricks, he will go the way of Singletary shortly. The Schwatz has the best player on the team hurting the rest of the team. If he can't keep a lid on him, one or the other has to go.

[Joemailman]

Teaching toughness without discipline gets you in Forrest Gregg territory. It's true that Schwartz had to change the losing atmosphere there, but so did Wolf and Holmgren here. You can do it without being stupid. Holmgren let Chuck Cecil go after 1 season because he thought Cecil committed too many dumb penalties. The Lions won't get rid of Suh, so Schwartz better be able to get him under control.

[Deputy Nutz]

It's slightly more than a fine line between bringing toughness and kicking someone when they are down on the ground. And I say this as someone who has intentionally run over a down player on the LOS after they went to cut my legs. I don't recall even Wayne Simmons kicking other players even as he was blasting and rag dolling them, and Holmgren didn't think Simmons could be controlled.

If Schwartz has nothing else but this in his bag of tricks, he will go the way of Singletary shortly. The Schwatz has the best player on the team hurting the rest of the team. If he can't keep a lid on him, one or the other has to go.

I never said any of that stuff was honarable, especially stomping on someone, A coach isn't going to throw his player under the bus, it ain't gonna happen. Schwartz has a very long rope in Detroit. He isn't going any where.

[sharpe1027]

I never said any of that stuff was honarable, especially stomping on someone, A coach isn't going to throw his player under the bus, it ain't gonna happen. Schwartz has a very long rope in Detroit. He isn't going any where.

He already threw Cherilus under the bus, either Cherilus is not "his player" or you need to amend your statement. Perhaps "A coach isn't going to throw his star player under the bus."

[mraynrand]

As you can see, all things evil in this world start with the Bears.

This is the kind of hyperbole that makes the Packers/Bears rivalry what it is today. Make sure to bring this stuff back on Christmas day, the holiest of all days, a day hated by the evil Bears. I'll get you started: Lovie Smith is like Herod or Pontius Pilate, or both rolled into one.

[Deputy Nutz]

He already threw Cherilus under the bus, either Cherilus is not "his player" or you need to amend your statement. Perhaps "A coach isn't going to throw his star player under the bus."

I thought it went without saying, but he isn't going to call out Suh, especially after Suh made an ass of himself at the post game presser. It is best for Schwartz just to walk away from this one. He has a start of a very good team, he has a weak secondary that needs to be fixed, and needs a healthy running back, but you can't argue that Schwartz hasn't done a good job at rebuilding the Lions.

[sharpe1027]

I thought it went without saying, but he isn't going to call out Suh, especially after Suh made an ass of himself at the post game presser. It is best for Schwartz just to walk away from this one. He has a start of a very good team, he has a weak secondary that needs to be fixed, and needs a healthy running back, but you can't argue that Schwartz hasn't done a good job at rebuilding the Lions.

I disagree. You can do a lot of things other than walk away and pretend you are too busy/stupid to look at a replay. For example, he could man up and confront Suh. They could then can come up with a smart way to institute some sort of damage control. For instance, Suh could admit to wrong doing and Schwartz could say that the incident is being dealt with internally. Instead, he sounds almost as bad as Suh's excuse with this "I didn't see it" excuse.

[George Cumby]

I disagree. You can do a lot of things other than walk away and pretend you are too busy/stupid to look at a replay. For example, he could man up and confront Suh. They could then can come up with a smart way to institute some sort of damage control. For instance, Suh could admit to wrong doing and Schwartz could say that the incident is being dealt with internally. Instead, he sounds almost as bad as Suh's excuse with this "I didn't see it" excuse.

Exactly.

Schwartz should have a closed doors meeting with Suh, impose whatever sanctions/discipline are deemed appropriate, tell the media it's been dealt with, learn how to say that's it's been dealt with internally one hundred different ways and move on.

Like disciplining your child, you don't do it on the play-ground in front of all his friends. You take him behind a tree, talk to him, correct the behavior and then act as if nothing is out of the ordinary.

[Fritz]

It will be interesting to see if Schvantz says or does anything. I'd love to be the fly on the wall. I get a feeling this is a pivotal moment for the franchise. If the coach and team staunchly defend Suh, then Suh will feel justified in what he did and said (despite his supposed call to apologize to the Commish) and eventually The Schvantz will lose control of the team. If The Schvantz makes it clear that no player is bigger than the team (like TT did a few years back...) then the Leos are on the right track.

But there's no real way at this point to know what tack The Schvantz will take.

[MadtownPacker]

I had a high opinion of schwartz.

That was when the season started. After handshakegate his cookie has been crumbling. If somehow he allows what looked like a playoff season to turn into a losing slump or worse yet a losing record, will it leave him with zero slack next year? Or does he just get the boot after the last game of the year, courtesy of the GBP?

[channtheman]

I had a high opinion of schwartz.

That was when the season started. After handshakegate his cookie has been crumbling. If somehow he allows what looked like a playoff season to turn into a losing slump or worse yet a losing record, will it leave him with zero slack next year? Or does he just get the boot after the last game of the year, courtesy of the GBP?

I told my dad earlier when the Lions were 5-0 that I could see them being pretenders and dropping off in the second half of the season. We'll see how the rest of the season goes, but these Lions might just suck after all.