Suddenly, I'm Really Down On This Team

[woodbuck27]

Let's consider the Brett situation and TT for a second:

1. " Could TT actually tell Brett not to come back? No. He couldn't. Not the face of the Packers. Not the man whom every Packer fan thinks the world of and rallies around. TT didn't have an option with the Favre scenario. It was always "up to Favre". If he took a stand with Favre, he would've alienated the Packer nation and he understood that, so you have to give him props for not being a hard ass." tyler

Comment woodbuck27:

tyler:

I am going to give you full props here. I'm not pounding any sand up your ass, but Man, I certainly respect the Philosophical analytical style in which you post here. You do a fine job.

I believe when it came right down to it. Ted Thompson had to support a return of Brett Favre. The polls certainly supported Favre's return for 2006. Packer fans felt that Brett Favre, had to make his own mind up to enter 2006 with all that was 2005.

Certain things had to weigh in favor of Favre's decision. Did Brett Favre give all that he could in the first half of last season? Overall - the facts support that he did very well as OUR QB, under the worst set of circumstances, or not having alot of support on OUR offense.

Adversity took a heavy toll on OUR "O" in 2005. Despite that Brett Favre kept doing what he does best. Try to keep us in games. Keep OUR hopes alive for a win. That cannot be disputed, given the facts.

Still - even Brett Favre ran out of gas and he gave it up. We all witnessed that fact as well. Favre admitted, at last season's end mentally he was finished -retired and Mike Sherman asked him to be patient with himself. to give himself a break and not just utter the word - Retirement. Last season was HELL !

Favre decided to return, as that was obviuosly his choice and he still has solid skills to be OUR starting QB, and now we await this season, to see what the consequences will be for his decision.

I dread those consequences. I do believe that Brett Favre will still demonstrate proper leadership, and give more of what he needs, to to allow us any success, but the odds weigh in favor of failure, if the OL doesn't get there prematurely. The blame for OUR OL's condition, that all things winning depends on - falls clearly in the lap of Ted Thompson.

That is purely fundamentle football Philosophy. It's not a news flash !

Will OUR OL suddenly step up and provide proper support for the offence overall?

Do I think that will happen? I have to say now - NO !

2. " Could Favre have decided not to come back? Yes. He's a smart football player and a business man. He knows what's going on. He understands that he's not the future of the franchise anymore. He probably realizes that the team isn't going to rebuild itself to get Favre another ring. But he did decide to come back, regardless of circumstances. He has his own reasons and we'll get the "Favre-spin", but we'll really never know the truth of why he came back." tyler

Comment woodbuck27:

tyler:

Favre came back because he loves the game of football and playing just for the Packers. Brett Favre certainly knows OUR team is in sorry shape, unless all things go near perfect. He knows that if Ted Thompson does his job, then he really believes that he can get the job done as OUR starting QB.

Favre is a Packer first, and we have way too much evidence to support otherwise. Maybe we'll get the TRUTH of why he came back this season but Ted Thompson has work yet to do.

I believe that Brett Favre is insurance against an Aaron Rodgers flop - not the other way around. Brett Favre is set up !

Oh yea!! Aaron Rodgers is OUR future? If Brett Favre can't get it done with OUR offence? Does anyone seriously believe that Aaron Rodgers will ?

It's all about the running game (tyler and Packer fans).

That hinges on a successful OL and solid team blocking. Favre will be out there blocking and so will Bubba Franks (hopefully) and Donald Driver and William Henderson and Ahman Green (hopefully) but we need the OL to take the Lions share of that chore.

Either that or we loose alot more than we win.



3. " Is TT obligated to retool the team just for Favre? No. He's not. The Packers are a business. They are not a monarchy. The franchise will exist long beyond Favre. I disagree with the idea that he needs to break the bank to give Favre one last shot. The odds are slim that such an activity would wreap Super Bowl rewards and could set the franchise back even further in its quest to get back to the big game. There are no guarantees in the game of football, but if you get your team into cap trouble, your team is guaranteed to suffer. " tyler

Comment woodbuck27:

tyler:

Is the team in CAP trouble with the money Ted Thompson has spent in this Off season?

NO ! It's certainly not there.

Neither is OUR Offense. Certainly TT didn't weigh in - on OUR offense for 2006 so he hasn't given of himself as a GM for this season to the Offense we have to use to protect OUR Defense.

We live with nothing more than a wish and a prayer for OUR small "O" offense. After Favre will it be really fine? Haaaaa !!

" So, don't dump the problems of the Pack squarely on TT. He is doing his job. He has brought in free agents in an attempt to make the team better. Some of them weren't flashy, some weren't the top of the heap of the market. He has drafted relatively well. The future should tell us more about his ability to draft for the Packers. " tyler


Comment woodbuck27:

tyler:

I certainly dump the condition OUR OL is in - OUR Offense will demonstrate it's in this season - squarely on one man. Ted Thompson.

He didn't have to retool in this off season for Brett Favre, and any personal gains some desire to attribute to Brett Favre, that arn't supported by Favre's character and personality. Dam it ! We have watched Brett Favre play for too long, not to appreciate just who he is.

This hasn't got to do with Brett Favre anything!!!

Yet, he certainly doesn't / didn't deserve Ted Thompson and his pure neglect of OUR needs on the offensive side of the ball. That neglect is obvious tyler.

OUR team doesn't deserve that - forget just Brett Favre. He's only a part of the team. OUR TEAM !!!


"Yesterday woodbuck, you posted that I speak "the Truth". Well, I don't buy the anti-TT spin as truth, whether its coming from you or anyone else.

This team has lots of problems right now and they aren't all TT's fault.
tyler

tyler

comment woodbuck27:

tyler:

Ted Thompson is OUR GM and it's on his plate to do what he can to enable the Packers to win; not fall further away from the leading teams in the NFL. That isn't acceptable anymore. I will not accept 5 years of losing after Favre.

When a GM doesn't have the common sense to understand priorities in supplying talent to OUR team, that concerns me alot.

OUR OL is that FIRST PRIORITY. That really bothers me that ted thompson took a stop gap approach there of bringing in Rookies from this syear's draft.

ALSO !!! When I read that OUR first year Head Coach, is adopting a policy of more pass's - on a approximate 55-45 % ratio - I am certainly to be alarmed and concerned. That policy will certainly with OUR talent on the OL fail miserably. In fact, what will Mike Mccarthy have, given that as OUR OL will be certainly not ready till well into the season but with no RUN just the pass.

Then with that, we are dead in the water. Defences will smoke us.

GO PACKERS ! HOLD THE FAITH in 2006 !!

Come On Ted Thompson - Get BUSY.

[woodbuck27]

What's disheartening is that both lines are very poor. OT and DT are OK, not great, but OK.

The interior OL is, as everyone knows, an absolute mess; and, the DE's are overpaid and generally unproductive. You can't win in the NFL if you can't compete in the trenches.

I started my prediction at 6-10, drank some Kool-Aid and went up to 7-9... but, realistically, 3-13/4-12 is much more likely. I fully expect the Packers to be competing for the #1 pick next year.

Noway that we win 6 games in 2006.

[MJZiggy]

Woodbuck, you're reading that backward. M3 wants to pound the RUN 55%. He wants to get away from panicking and passing and push the RUN more.

[Partial]

What's disheartening is that both lines are very poor. OT and DT are OK, not great, but OK.

The interior OL is, as everyone knows, an absolute mess; and, the DE's are overpaid and generally unproductive. You can't win in the NFL if you can't compete in the trenches.

I started my prediction at 6-10, drank some Kool-Aid and went up to 7-9... but, realistically, 3-13/4-12 is much more likely. I fully expect the Packers to be competing for the #1 pick next year.

Noway that we win 6 games in 2006.

Woody, when did you become a cynic? Normally it's all hold the faith whoo go packers, now you're down in the dumps. That's it, i've decided on a rat name

[jack's smirking revenge]

Very good points Woodbuck! The only thing I would say is that we really DON'T know what TT sees as priority positions for this team. We all agree that the Oline is a priority. But, with so many problems in so many areas, he had to prioritize. Free Agency didn't give him many Oline solutions. Hutch and Bentley? Too expensive for their positions! Beyond those two, there weren't many gamebreaking Olinemen out there. My guess is he intended to address that problem through the draft, knowing there would be growing pains but understanding that he could shore up other areas of need. 25% of his draft was focused on the Oline. That's a decent percentage!

I'm a defense guy, so I applaud the strides he made in free agency and in the draft to better our D. Our 7th ranking last year was a mirage and he understood that. He went out and worked hard on the LBs and the secondary. Maybe the lines weren't a priority this year for him, given our draft position, the way the draft shook out and the players that were available in FA. I think he went about getting the best player available...for the price! We have cap space now and that's not a bad thing at all!

As a GM, his task is to look at the team from a thousand-foot view. As fans, we only know what's happening on the ground, what the media tells us and what we see for ourselves in camps. He has to understand where the team is and where he wants it to be, make up the difference between the two, chart us a course to get to the big game. But he also knows how the busines of football works. He knows he doesn't have a blank check of years to return success to GB. The NFL is a brutal business for players and execs alike. I think he understands that he has a small window to make this happen. Yet, if that means he has to step closer to the big game incrementally, while keeping the best interests of the Packer business in mind, then I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt. In the 2006 offseason, he worked on the defense, given the best available and reasonable options. In 2007, maybe he attacks the offense.

So next year, when the two pieces are polished, the thousand foot view is in the shape of a Lombardi trophy.

tyler

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Actually, next year I hope he (TT) stays on the defense. Can you imagine the defense we will have with two more additions on the d-line and one in the secdonary. I think if Brett comes back next year, the offense will be fine. If next year we go out and get new o-line men, either by draft or by free agents, it won't help much. I think if they can just settle on five o-linemen this year and let them play the whole year together, that part of the team will almost fix itself.

[woodbuck27]

"woodbuck,
just about every post you make it is the same old thing. TT this or TT that, and there fgoing down in flames. Should have signed TO, Hutchinson, Arrington, and any other big name big cost FA to get Favre to the SB. " Creepy

Find any post where I have stated that? Any ???

You'll look a long time man.

I refuse to go into this season as a Packer fan, with my head in the clouds, Creepy. I always post as I feel, deep inside.

I don't post for me here. I post as a loyal Packer fan. Your criticisms are unfair to me. Unfounded.

I really wanted Ted Thompson to do, nomore, than more for OUR Offense than he has done this off season. I am very disappointed, that he didn't find us the playmaker on Offense that we needed. As a Packer fan I don't have to be ALL Ted Thompson.

Be ALL ya ya Ted.

Now, I challenge you Creepy - to back yourself up and post any response from me that said that I wanted Ted Thompson to go for any player other than a Terrell Owens, or possibly a solid WR that is presently and possibly available, like maybe Jerry Porter or possibly Ashley Lelie.

You can't post back to this forum, what you claim in your post against me Creepy.

I challenge you Creepy to do so, but I'll advise that

you'll be waisting your time looking Creepy.

GO FOR IT Creepy !!

GO PACKERS ! HOLD THE FAITH in 2006 !!

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, you're reading that backward. M3 wants to pound the RUN 55%. He wants to get away from panicking and passing and push the RUN more.

Find your source for me then MJ - PLEASE.

I certainly hope that you can.

GO PACKERS ! HOLD THE FAITH in 2006 !!

[woodbuck27]

What's disheartening is that both lines are very poor. OT and DT are OK, not great, but OK.

The interior OL is, as everyone knows, an absolute mess; and, the DE's are overpaid and generally unproductive. You can't win in the NFL if you can't compete in the trenches.

I started my prediction at 6-10, drank some Kool-Aid and went up to 7-9... but, realistically, 3-13/4-12 is much more likely. I fully expect the Packers to be competing for the #1 pick next year.

Noway that we win 6 games in 2006.

Woody, when did you become a cynic? Normally it's all hold the faith whoo go packers, now you're down in the dumps. That's it, i've decided on a rat name

Partial:

I swear to you and all members here.I am certainly not down in the dumps all of a sudden.

I have always felt that maybe we might have 7 wins tops but that was given to alot going right.

I really believe that 7 wins would be a solid season for us now. Eight wins outstanding.

GO Packers ! Hold The Faith in 2006 !!

Do anything REAL TT.

[Partial]

psssh, Woody you were the constant optimist. This preseason game has changed your ways

From now on, you're the cynical rat

[mmmdk]

I see...dead rats. All painted Green'n'Gold but still dead rats.

[woodbuck27]

psssh, Woody you were the constant optimist. This preseason game has changed your ways

From now on, you're the cynical rat

Being a realist is a long ways from being cynical. Being a realist builds strength, in what we have today - to get to a better tomorrow, Partial.

GO PACKERS ! HOLD THE FAITH FOR 2006 !!!

[jack's smirking revenge]

Being a realist is a long ways from being cynical. Being a realist builds strength, in what we have today - to get to a better tomorrow, Partial.

Best thing I've heard all day. It is true. You guys may think I sound like Chicken Little with my anti-Packer rants today, but I'm really not signaling Armageddon. The sky is still there; it just looks cloudy right now to me.

All will be fine in time.

tyler

[mmmdk]

OK, let's see your true colors. My guess is that more than a few of you play fantasy football. So in which rounds are you picking Packer Players? I've drafted 2 teams already and I got Favre in round 9??? Crazy. The other team I got Driver in round 4 then grabbed Franks as my #2 TE in round 12. That's it, I've drafted 3 Packer players on 2 teams. I tried to get Green but got beat each time (around round 5/6).

Not many drafters have faith in Packer FP. Not a biggie but still.

[woodbuck27]

That is what is keeping me grounded now. I think this year will be all about growing pains and frustrating games, but there are pieces in place to make 2007 a much more successful year (minus injuries). If we get Colledge, Moll and Spitz--in any combination on our line--a year of experience, next year we will be having different discussions. It took some time for Wahle and Rivera to grow into studs on our line. It will take time for those three to grow as well.

And defense? Think of next year when Hawk, Hodge, and Manuel have had a year in the Packer system. We could have an AMAZING LB corps and a lights-out secondary. Add some free agents on both lines and through the draft and BAM! We're back in the hunt.

This year....too much youth, too much inexperience, too much change.

Good post, and I agree. That's why I'm not down on the long-term prospects of the team. I just hope to see guys develop this year. My hope is that they'll be a lot better at the end of the year than the beginning of the year.

That's all we have Harvey. Realistically, we get through this season and we loose some Vet's for sure, and we pick up the pieces and the experience and move forward.

I just don't want to see an embarassment for OUR team. I don't want to see worse than 4-12, and right now we are 4 wins away from 4-12. I hoped I'd be siting here realistically banking on 8-9 wins, but that sure looks remote today.

I don't expect the playoffs or Favre to smash Dan Marino's record. I did expect that Ted Thompson would do what was necessary to help "the Packers" gain respect. Those two things then would have taken care of one another.

I just don't see that happening, and it certainly has Dick all with anything that transpired against the Chargers last Sat night.

GO PACKERS ! HOLD THE FAITH FOR 2006 !!