Hawk, Bishop Ruled Out For Sunday

[ThunderDan]

If I am the Giants on Sunday, I woud run 12 personnel a vast majority of the time. If they have a good OL they will be able to get a guard on Smith on every play run play. I like those odds if I am Tom Coughlin. I think we will see a lot of Jacobs up the gut.

[Deputy Nutz]

That's why Barnett is a more valuable player in today's NFL than either of those guys, and he's proving it in Buffalo.


INCOMING!!!

No, he wasn't more valuable because he was not assignment sure in the 3-4. He was a good blitzer but an overrated player in coverage because he was fast from sideline to sideline, not because he excelled in coverage.
Packers in 2011 are 11-0 with Bishop and Hawk in the middle. Awesome how I was able to reference the Packers record in defense of my argument.

[Joemailman]

The new guys are always the most beloved players by the fans; don't be surprised if after tomorrow's game we'll be wishing Hawk...and Bishop especially.....played

Looks like B warming up for the Game Day thread.

[Lurker64]

And he might be 5' 11" if he is standing on your shoes.

Accurate height for DJ Smith is 5'10 5/8"; at least, accurate to within 1/8", since that's how they measure at the combine.

[ND72]

Get over your "man crush" of Hawk, hes not that good. Hes like the Atari Bigby of our LBing corp, hes JAG.

K, #1, picture was from his rookie year trying to get on tv. #2, I've be very critical of hawk even through my love of him if you ever truly read anything. #3, Atari bigby? Really? Are you THAT football illiterate?

[ND72]

Accurate height for DJ Smith is 5'10 5/8"

I was listed as 6'6" 315 in college....I was 6'3 3/4" and 285. Our center was listed as 6'1" 310, he was MAYBE 5'10" 275.

[Lurker64]

I was listed as 6'6" 315 in college....I was 6'3 3/4" and 285. Our center was listed as 6'1" 310, he was MAYBE 5'10" 275.

In the grand scheme of things, rounding up by 3/8" is pretty modest in terms of football exaggeration.

[Brandon494]

K, #1, picture was from his rookie year trying to get on tv. #2, I've be very critical of hawk even through my love of him if you ever truly read anything. #3, Atari bigby? Really? Are you THAT football illiterate?

Your right, Hawk isn't a big hitter like Bigby. You really going to say you've been critical of Hawk? Only time you post on this board is defending the guy.

[pbmax]

That's why Barnett is a more valuable player in today's NFL than either of those guys, and he's proving it in Buffalo.


INCOMING!!!

You mean he is valuable to their collapsing team? Or their 28th ranked defense?

[pbmax]

There are very few 3-4 middle linebackers that have the size to take on offensive linemen, and fullbacks in the run game and then have the ability to cover Darren Sproles out of the backfield or cover Antonio Gates downfield. Bishop and Hawk are what they are, they don't have the agility to cover these types of players in the passing game.

I am a fan of AJ Hawk and I can't even say he has played well this year. He is missing too many tackles, and that is what he is usually good for.

Yes, and that's why I think the position in this defense needs to be split between 2 types. A coverage, sideline to sideline guy and a bull. Smith in the game removes the only bull on the roster.

[Guiness]

Yes, and that's why I think the position in this defense needs to be split between 2 types. A coverage, sideline to sideline guy and a bull. Smith in the game removes the only bull on the roster.

Just to make sure I'm following you...who is Smith replacing? He's playing Bishop's position, right? And Francois is in Hawk's spot? That's what I thought, but I swear I went to get another beer, and when I came back they were both in the game, so I was never sure!

[ThunderDan]

Just to make sure I'm following you...who is Smith replacing? He's playing Bishop's position, right? And Francois is in Hawk's spot? That's what I thought, but I swear I went to get another beer, and when I came back they were both in the game, so I was never sure!

Francois is taking Hawk's spot as the Buck and Smith is taking Bishop's spot.

I just read that Bradshaw thinks he is going to play after sitting out 4-5 weeks. That could be extra bad news from a defensive perspective. Smith vs Bradshaw 1-on-1 with Peprah coming down to support. Thank god the Giants don't have a WR with the talent of Calvin Johnson to keep the safeties deep.

[pbmax]

Just to make sure I'm following you...who is Smith replacing? He's playing Bishop's position, right? And Francois is in Hawk's spot? That's what I thought, but I swear I went to get another beer, and when I came back they were both in the game, so I was never sure!

Yes, I though as Dan did in his response that Smith went in for Hawk at Buck and Francois went in for Bishop at Mack. Whether than means Smith is slotted to only play Buck and Francois is only at Mack may have changed given a week to prepare. For that matter, they could have switched when Bishop was hurt and Francois went in during the Lions game.

But I think the larger point stands that if you were to remove Hawk from the equation as has been speculated, Smith and Bishop might not be the best combo of skills to play the positions collectively.

[Patler]

Yes, I though as Dan did in his response that Smith went in for Hawk at Buck and Francois went in for Bishop at Mack. Whether than means Smith is slotted to only play Buck and Francois is only at Mack may have changed given a week to prepare. For that matter, they could have switched when Bishop was hurt and Francois went in during the Lions game.

But I think the larger point stands that if you were to remove Hawk from the equation as has been speculated, Smith and Bishop might not be the best combo of skills to play the positions collectively.

Didn't Bishop go out of the game first, and wasn't Smith the first replacement in?

[pbmax]

Didn't Bishop go out of the game first, and wasn't Smith the first replacement in?

My memory is the reverse, but it was Thanksgiving and I was fighting distractions.