DEFENSIVE PLAYERS DISAPPOINTING ? Your list .......

[Bretsky]

It's hard to believe we've went from one of the best to one of the worst
Losing Cullen Jenkins surely hurt and losing Nick Collins really hurt but way more than that is wrong.

I'm curious which players on active roster have been the most disappointing to you. I'm starting with two and if these guys pick up their game to where it was last year it's likely we win another title. We still have a good shot


Tramon Williams- No pro bowl talk for this guy lately. No top ten cover guy talk. He's been roasted way too often. Last year it appeared he was a shutdown CB. He's paid pretty well right now. This year he seems very average.

Sam Shields- Gotta love finding those gems. Last year a few went as far as comparing him to Haden from Cleveland....silly talk.........but he was a pretty good CB who looked like a solid future starter. I'm not sure where his game went this year. He's alright but doesn't seem to make the plays he made last year.

[mission]

Everyone, really.

I'll give passes to Woodson and Matthews.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I agree with Shields. He still flashes, but he's just not as consistent this year. He's still pretty good for a third corner.

Tramon was awful after the shoulder injury. He was rounding into form until this last game. Then again, the Giants are tough matchup on deep throws. Tramon got roasted my Manningham last year. I think Tramon is ready to finish the year strong.

Woodson has also been exposed in coverage. They haven't been able to play him in that rover role as much this year.

B.J. Raji has disappointed.

Our safety play has been poor. I think that's been our biggest issues, coupled with the corners not playing as well as last year.

[pbmax]

Peprah and Raji. Wood isn't young enough to be outside so I would stick Shields out there until he plays his way back to form as Tramontana is doing. If you need std 3-4 package, put in Corner Oakie.

And its a weird position to be in but Walden is driving me nuts. He has gotten better almost every game but each game there are two run plays he seems to disappear on and then 2 more pass rushes where he seems just a step late. He is playing better than he did at the end of last year but its still driving me nuts.

[gbgary]

if we had a rush those boys in the back wouldn't be in such shape. they're at a huge disadvantage because of the blitzing, injuries, and lack of d-line pressure. i'm not really disappointed in anyone. they're all doing their best.

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Outside of Sam's tackling, he really hasn't been too bad for a nickel back. The difference between this year and last is that he just doesn't seem to make that final play on the ball to knock it down. Looks like he's in good position a lot but that last-minute two-arms-straight-in-the-year defense in the endzone or on deep passes never works out well. Gotta get his head around sooner.

[Bretsky]

If Tramon finds his form this defense will improve

It's hard to put Raji on the list; his snap count is insanely high this year to our lack of quality DL.
Neal has been hurt and his amount of snaps is a reflection that we have a couple JAG's on the DL

Peprah is hard for me to put there; he is what he is. Underwhelming talent but reliable overall. If you have a pass rush you can hide him. If you don't he'll get exposed. He's a perfect last safety but not the perfect starter.

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if we had a rush those boys in the back wouldn't be in such shape. they're at a huge disadvantage because the blitzing, injuries, and lack of d-line pressure. i'm not really disappointed in anyone. they're all doing their best.

thanks for ruining the thread.

[gbgary]

thanks for ruining the thread.

made you feel guilty huh?

[Bretsky]

. they're all doing their best.

Now enough of this middle school everyone is a winner because they tried talk and get to the criticism

[gbgary]

Now enough of this middle school everyone is a winner because they tried talk and get to the criticism

ok...it's tt's fault.

[mission]

made you feel guiltly huh?

well ya... it was the anti-my-post !!

[Bretsky]

It is kind of interesting that the coaches many thought the most of (secondary coaches) have some disappointing players while one of the two coaches many think the least of (OL) has put a Marshmellow and other backups out there and survived.

Let's all say it together.........it will make you feel better..........James Campen might be an OK coach !

[pbmax]

If Neal continues to make progress, then I predict this thread will become a mea cupla thread.

Not promising anything, just saying ....

[pbmax]

It is kind of interesting that the coaches many thought the most of (secondary coaches) have some disappointing players while one of the two coaches many think the least of (OL) has put a Marshmellow and other backups out there and survived.

Let's all say it together.........it will make you feel better..........James Campen might be an OK coach !

Jerry Fontenot was the entire problem all that time!