Aaron Rodgers Death Spiral of Declining Poor Performances

[Brandon494]

BF seemed the epitome of team player, local hero, charitable with his time and money, all american down to earth guy warts and all. He turned out to be a self centered, sex addict. So I will appreciate a players ability to play a game and assume correctly that I really have no idea how they are personally, cause I don't know any of them.....Rodgers seems to be the perfect guy, but they have publiscists teaching them how to come off that way. Nothing will suprise me about any athlete again. BTW---Ali was a complete douchebag, so he doesn't even fit in your litney of pics.

Aaron Rodgers isnt a party boy, nor did he get in a car crash in college, nor was he ever addicted to pills. Aaron Rodgers is the type of guy you want your daughter to marry and Favre is the type you want to get shit faced with. BTW why do you think Ali was a douche? Because he didnt go to war or because or his trash talking?

[pbmax]

Aaron Rodgers isnt a party boy, nor did he get in a car crash in college, nor was he ever addicted to pills. Aaron Rodgers is the type of guy you want your daughter to marry and Favre is the type you want to get shit faced with. BTW why do you think Ali was a douche? Because he didnt go to war or because or his trash talking?

The only reason you can make this case is because none of this type of information about Rodgers is in the public record, like it was for Favre. But you cannot make the leap that it is unequivocally true that Rodgers is the better man. Probably is, likely is; but we simply don't know.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Well, we don't know if Rodgers is a good guy. We have no reason to believe he isn't--while there's evidence that Favre is a bit of a self-centered douche bag. Favre seems like a good guy to hang out with, but I think fame went to his head. Maybe the same thing will happen to Rodgers, but it seems unlikely. He seems a bit cocky, but I think his faith keeps him grounded enough for him not to become a douche bag.

[George Cumby]

Well, we don't know if Rodgers is a good guy. We have no reason to believe he isn't--while there's evidence that Favre is a bit of a self-centered douche bag. Favre seems like a good guy to hang out with, but I think fame went to his head. Maybe the same thing will happen to Rodgers, but it seems unlikely. He seems a bit cocky, but I think his faith keeps him grounded enough for him not to become a douche bag.

One hopes.

Fame, fortune and media attention are interesting and dangerous things.

Cumby's Pet Theory #63: Fame and attention, always being asked one's opinion, always being fawned upon, causes a release of dopamine in the brain rewarding the pleasure center of the brain. Over time, this becomes addictive, creating a feed-back cycle where the subject (the celebrity in question) seeks out the attention like an addict seeking their next hook-up. Over-time, this can actually change the subject's personality as the neuro-chemistry of their brain undergoes long-term changes. e.g.: Brett Favre change from partying good old boy to his diva-ish and endless flirtation with the media.

Or I could be full of shit.

[RashanGary]

One hopes.

Fame, fortune and media attention are interesting and dangerous things.

Cumby's Pet Theory #63: Fame and attention, always being asked one's opinion, always being fawned upon, causes a release of dopamine in the brain rewarding the pleasure center of the brain. Over time, this becomes addictive, creating a feed-back cycle where the subject (the celebrity in question) seeks out the attention like an addict seeking their next hook-up. Over-time, this can actually change the subject's personality as the neuro-chemistry of their brain undergoes long-term changes. e.g.: Brett Favre change from partying good old boy to his diva-ish and endless flirtation with the media.

Or I could be full of shit.

Could be right on. Favre seems like a much more sensitive guy than Rodgers, and impulsive. Those two traits make a person more prone to mistakes and more prone to not being able to admit them. AR has a very steady personality. Like people have said above. He's probably not as much fun to party with, but he seems like a really secure person (doesn't need to be propped up as much) and has a calm demeanor (less likely to just go with things on a whim and make a mistake.)

People are people. Judgement is for god. AR is a guy you trust more, but he's still a guy. Favre is a guy who's prone to a lot more error, but he's just a guy too. Everyone has a different path.

I would say it's wise to avoid a guy like Favre. I would also say it's wise to have some trust in a guy like AR. I don't know for sure, but those are things I would say. I wouldn't say AR is a better guy. I'd just say he's had a different path. Favre's sex and drug addictions don't make him bad. They make him flawed and untrustable, even to himself.

People like Favre though, he seems very emotional and it can lead him one way or the other. You never know, he could turn it around. I think the narcissism is tough to overcome though. Unlike other forms of misery, that mind trick of being more special than the next person can be just addicting enough to never want to change and in turn, never enjoy life or have real relationships built on trust. Right now, I don't think there is a person in the world who has had to count on Favre that trusts him. He's cheated and backstabbed every friend on the way to where he is now.

[Pugger]

Well, we don't know if Rodgers is a good guy. We have no reason to believe he isn't--while there's evidence that Favre is a bit of a self-centered douche bag. Favre seems like a good guy to hang out with, but I think fame went to his head. Maybe the same thing will happen to Rodgers, but it seems unlikely. He seems a bit cocky, but I think his faith keeps him grounded enough for him not to become a douche bag.

I've heard this from other quarters. What makes you say this? I can't think of any instance where I'd say he was cocky except maybe when he told fans to get on board during the Favre divorce (and I didn't blame him one bit - I'm surprised that's all he said!).

[George Cumby]

Could be right on. Favre seems like a much more sensitive guy than Rodgers, and impulsive. Those two traits make a person more prone to mistakes and more prone to not being able to admit them. AR has a very steady personality. Like people have said above. He's probably not as much fun to party with, but he seems like a really secure person (doesn't need to be propped up as much) and has a calm demeanor (less likely to just go with things on a whim and make a mistake.)

People are people. Judgement is for god. AR is a guy you trust more, but he's still a guy. Favre is a guy who's prone to a lot more error, but he's just a guy too. Everyone has a different path.

I would say it's wise to avoid a guy like Favre. I would also say it's wise to have some trust in a guy like AR. I don't know for sure, but those are things I would say. I wouldn't say AR is a better guy. I'd just say he's had a different path. Favre's sex and drug addictions don't make him bad. They make him flawed and untrustable, even to himself.

People like Favre though, he seems very emotional and it can lead him one way or the other. You never know, he could turn it around. I think the narcissism is tough to overcome though. Unlike other forms of misery, that mind trick of being more special than the next person can be just addicting enough to never want to change and in turn, never enjoy life or have real relationships built on trust. Right now, I don't think there is a person in the world who has had to count on Favre that trusts him. He's cheated and backstabbed every friend on the way to where he is now.

Great post.

I said it in another thread and I'll say it again, I think Rodgers learned a lot from Favre. Both the good and the bad, both on-field and off-field stuff. You can see some of Favre's improvisational genius in Rodger's play but none of the bone-headed plays (with the exception of the last play in the Arizona Divisional game a couple of years back). You see it in how Rodgers handles the media, my impression is that he rarely gives them anything to play with (I admit ignorance re: local Wisco programming) compared to Favre who couldn't/wouldn't stop talking to the media.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I've heard this from other quarters. What makes you say this? I can't think of any instance where I'd say he was cocky except maybe when he told fans to get on board during the Favre divorce (and I didn't blame him one bit - I'm surprised that's all he said!).

I'd say he came out cocky, but his faith and what he's been through has grounded him quite a bit. Now, I'd say he's confident, but a couple more MVP seasons could bring the cockiness back. I don't think this is all a ruse (playing to the cameras), but it could be. I don't know him well enough to know one way or the other. That's just my take from afar.

[MJZiggy]

Ask Michele. She hung out with him once or twice.

[Freak Out]

Now I don't listen to many of his interviews but does he talk about his religious beliefs with the press very often? I don't ever remember it. I think he's an atheist.

[Joemailman]

http://m.askmen.com/sports/fanatic_3...-religion.html

Aaron Rodgers -- a QB who can throw a tight spiral -- understands this. Rodgers is also deeply devout. But how often has the potential MVP's religious beliefs made headlines? Rodgers, a millionaire athlete who's been linked to women like Marisa Miller, now dates a local girl that he met through his religious circles. He does good things both on and off the field. He is a leader and a role-model who lets his actions and his way of life speak for him.

"I feel like my stance and my desire has always been to follow a quote from St. Francis of Assisi, who said, "Preach the gospel at all times. If necessary, use words." So, basically, I'm not an over-the-top or an in-your-face kind of guy with my faith."

[Tarlam!]

I said it in another thread and I'll say it again, I think Rodgers learned a lot from Favre. Both the good and the bad, both on-field and off-field stuff.

Agreed, but AR has made a conscious decision to hold himself to the standards set by Bart Starr, probably as a result of what he learned by watching Bert. It's too bad for Bert, really. He'd be worshipped alongside Starr if he'd have taken the PR gig offered by the organization. It is also a pity for many Packers fans. I hope AR is one day mentioned in the same sentence as Starr. I like having heros, even if I don't know them personally.

I'd say he came out cocky

He addressed this in an interview I saw or read; to paraphrase, he claimed he was "coached" by his handlers to put on a cocky show for the teams prior to the draft. They advised him to act that way. He said he never felt comfortable doing it, because just wasn't his true idendity and he regretted the initial image it portrayed. He said it was a completely distorted image that then found its way to the press/fans.

Although, IIRC, he didn't say it, I think he puts a lot of the blame for his free fall on draft day on his advisers. I have to wonder if he changed his agents.

[Tarlam!]

"I feel like my stance and my desire has always been to follow a quote from St. Francis of Assisi, who said, "Preach the gospel at all times. If necessary, use words." So, basically, I'm not an over-the-top or an in-your-face kind of guy with my faith."
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Thanks for digging this up, Joe. Someone should foward this quote to Denver, Colorado.

[mraynrand]

St. Francis of Assisi: "Preach the gospel at all times. If necessary, use words."

good stuff

[pbmax]

He is cocky and very self assured. Exactly what you would expect of a world class athlete at the top of his profession making millions of dollars. He is also full enough of his own success to lecture Wilde in the interview last week about the reporter's attitude vis a vis questions about the poor play versus Kansas City. Its a subject Rodgers clearly wishes to end but Wilde isn't finished trying to unearth. To Rodgers, the athlete and teammate, this kind of focus on negativity is counter productive. For a reporter or anyone doing an investigation, its second nature to take it farther than the subject might willingly go.

You can go hear almost everything you need to hear here: http://espnmilwaukee.com/page.php?page_id=360

The entire season of shows is there, once a week for an hour. And all in all, its the most revealing set of interviews done on a regular basis you will see about the Packers. Short of McCarthy on Monday and maybe McGinn, there is no better place to find out what happened in the previous game, on offense, at least.

Told by a agent/advisor to be cocky and self-assured in pre-draft interviews, it would be easy to imagine his impact would be off putting to some. He is is no wallflower naturally, but he does seem to have self control. And at his age, flush with success after what he perceives as obstacle after obstacle, doubter after doubter in his way, it's about all you could expect.