WILL the REAL TRAMON WILLIAMS PLEASE STEP UP ?

[mraynrand]

I guess they simply give much less attention to Jared Allen which accounts for him having double the sacks clay has.

Jared Allen is a DE, and is rarely asked to cover anyone. Plus, he's one of the two or three best pass rushers in the NFL. Better than Matthews and, of course, better than Kampman ever was. But he's been stoned too. For example, see 2007 Chiefs hosting Packers, where Clifton shut him down one-on-one all day. It happens.

[mraynrand]

Happened to Reggie all the time. He dealt with it by sacking the QB anyway.

Or not. There were a lot of games where Reggie didn't get a sniff at the QB. Never saw him in coverage much either.

[smuggler]

Allen definitely benefits from having an excellent defensive line to play with. But, he's still the cream of the crop when it comes to pass-rushing 4-3 DEs.

[ND72]

Or not. There were a lot of games where Reggie didn't get a sniff at the QB. Never saw him in coverage much either.

Agreed. Reggie is my guy but let's not get too far ahead of things. And in GB, our DL had 4 pro bowl caliber guys. How many pro bowlers do we have, MAYBE one in Raji? Our 3 DL and/or other OLB are NEVER doubled. Teams don't respect anyone else in the front 7. I know clay has been getting beat at times this year, but we are pathetic without him.

[Pugger]

Besides Pickett - who's better at run stuffing that pass rushing - and Raji who else do we have on our D line worth a damn? Wilson? Wynn? Green? Neal?

Maybe with Bishop, Jones and So'oto back for the playoffs our pass rush will improve and help out our DBs back there. The best thing you can say about our defense is it can't get much worse.

[Scott Campbell]

pass rush fixes everything/everyone.

I agree with this. Tramon is going to magically get better as soon as Cullen Jenkins is adequately replaced.

I'm wondering if Jenkins departure has similarly affected Raji. He was far more disruptive last year.

[Scott Campbell]

Agreed. Reggie is my guy but let's not get too far ahead of things. And in GB, our DL had 4 pro bowl caliber guys. How many pro bowlers do we have, MAYBE one in Raji? Our 3 DL and/or other OLB are NEVER doubled. Teams don't respect anyone else in the front 7. I know clay has been getting beat at times this year, but we are pathetic without him.

Compare our D-line with the Giants. If those guys get hot, anybody that plays them will have their hands full.

I liked our chances heading into the playoffs better last year. We were playing better.

[Bretsky]

A wise man has noted many many times how much every part of that DL as well as the LB core missed Jenkins

[Upnorth]

Agreed. Reggie is my guy but let's not get too far ahead of things. And in GB, our DL had 4 pro bowl caliber guys. How many pro bowlers do we have, MAYBE one in Raji? Our 3 DL and/or other OLB are NEVER doubled. Teams don't respect anyone else in the front 7. I know clay has been getting beat at times this year, but we are pathetic without him.

Against a top ten pass blocking oline in det we got two sacks without clay. With him we probably get at least one more and a whole bunch more pressure. Clay Is very important but we aren't crap on a stick without him.

[Scott Campbell]

Against a top ten pass blocking oline in det we got two sacks without clay. With him we probably get at least one more and a whole bunch more pressure. Clay Is very important but we aren't crap on a stick without him.

But we can't get ANY pressure without blitzing.

[pbmax]

A wise man has noted many many times how much every part of that DL as well as the LB core missed Jenkins

Still not buying it for run defense. He played passing downs mostly. I'm going down with this ship.

[bobblehead]

Agreed. Reggie is my guy but let's not get too far ahead of things. And in GB, our DL had 4 pro bowl caliber guys. How many pro bowlers do we have, MAYBE one in Raji? Our 3 DL and/or other OLB are NEVER doubled. Teams don't respect anyone else in the front 7. I know clay has been getting beat at times this year, but we are pathetic without him.

Are you guys really trying to compare Clay to the great pass rushers? He is very average. He is a great all around player (the fumble he helped cause in the superbowl comes to mind), but he simply isn't getting sacks, and great pass rushers get sacks. When Kampman was healthy he got sacks...he was nearly equal to Jared Allen. If that prick MM hadn't tried to make him run around like a LB he might still be getting 15 a season.

[bobblehead]

Against a top ten pass blocking oline in det we got two sacks without clay. With him we probably get at least one more and a whole bunch more pressure. Clay Is very important but we aren't crap on a stick without him.

you're breaking with theme here. The entire D front 7 sucks at getting to the QB without clay. He is a man alone. Don't go bringing up pesky facts like the Detroit game to sidetrack the storyline.....and MMGW is REAL!!!

[Joemailman]

Are you guys really trying to compare Clay to the great pass rushers? He is very average. He is a great all around player (the fumble he helped cause in the superbowl comes to mind), but he simply isn't getting sacks, and great pass rushers get sacks. When Kampman was healthy he got sacks...he was nearly equal to Jared Allen. If that prick MM hadn't tried to make him run around like a LB he might still be getting 15 a season.

During Kampman's 2 double-digit sack seasons, the Packers had other viable pass rushers (KGB, Corey Williams, Cullen Jenkins). It is very difficult to be a one man gang, as CMIII has had to be most of this year. Some of the hurries he's had this year would likely be sacks with a little more pressure coming up the middle.

[Pugger]

During Kampman's 2 double-digit sack seasons, the Packers had other viable pass rushers (KGB, Corey Williams, Cullen Jenkins). It is very difficult to be a one man gang, as CMIII has had to be most of this year. Some of the hurries he's had this year would likely be sacks with a little more pressure coming up the middle.

Or pressure from the other side!