IF I am TT, HERE IS MY PLAN

[goldplater]

now with finleys signing the packers are in a good position to tag flynn if there is a worthy trade. He showed at least more than a lot of high picks or trades last season which prooved they are surely not worthy the money they get.
But on the other hand they do not have to tag him. they can tag nobody but at least they have a good chance now and are not pressured in the trade- negotiations with finleys situation.
Maybe Flynn becomes to expansive for some teams in the rumours if he enters FA. Or they rather trade him for a highly payed short contract.
Paying him the tagmoney after the trade (must they pay 14mil. too?) is maybe easier to decide than a long term contract for a 2games starter?

[Pugger]

That's the big difference. If a deal fell through for Cory Wlliams, they had a very useful player at an OK cost for their salary cap. If they franchise Flynn and a deal falls through, they have a guy who will hopefully contribute nothing, because he won't play; and their salary cap situation is screwed.

They didn't have to trade Williams, they would absolutely have to trade Flynn. Very different bargaining positions. On the other side of a deal, almost any team can use another DL (we can argue if Williams was worth the contract or not), only a few teams are willing to invest a big contract in an unproven QB. The market is smaller for Flynn than it was for Williams.

And he'll make more than the league MVP. TT won't have this happen.

[mission]

Isn't that what most are saying?

On the board, yeah... I was more referring to the thought in general that seems to be the prevailing 'other side' in all the articles I've been reading on the topic.

[Smidgeon]

And he'll make more than the league MVP. TT won't have this happen.

I personally think that part's irrelevant. Rodgers makes less than he should to begin with. They'll have to restructure regardless, sooner or later.

[pbmax]

Wilde is now backtracking on belief that the Packers will tag Flynn: http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/corp/pa...medium=twitter

Thompson's quote at the end, where he says you do not simply tag someone to say "now let's trade you" is possibly telling. He may not want to risk a tag, regardless of assurances from other teams, unless he can live with that player at that price on the roster. It would fit what happened with Galloway in Seattle and Williams in Green Bay.

[pbmax]

I personally think that part's irrelevant. Rodgers makes less than he should to begin with. They'll have to restructure regardless, sooner or later.

But Flynn at $14.5 mil makes it more of an imperative. Wilde's article says he has found that the Packer's would prefer to lockup Matthews, Raji and Jennings first and then sign Rodgers to a big deal.

If Flynn is on the roster, it will be in his face (from the media at least) every day and the Packers may not be able to maintain order. Flynn at the moment he is tendered, has tremendous leverage. And if he is not traded, that leverage is transferred to the other Packer players.

[Brandon494]

I'd tag him and then trade him. Hes a young QB and just threw for 6 TDs, we'll have no problem trading the guy. We'll be able to get a 2nd and 3rd for him IMO.

[pbmax]

I'd tag him and then trade him. Hes a young QB and just threw for 6 TDs, we'll have no problem trading the guy. We'll be able to get a 2nd and 3rd for him IMO.

You have to clear the space to keep him while you trade him, which means your business grinds to a halt while you deal. The player can refuse to negotiate with the team you want to trade with if he doesn't want to go there (or wishes to go elsewhere). Or, if you are Joe Philbin and the Dolphins will offer a big contract, you wait it out, knowing that eventually the Packers will relent to your price and you scoop him up.

While you have him on your roster, you cannot do any deals with your soon to be FAs.

Every leverage except one contract year is working against you.

That is why it only works if Flynn wants to go to a team that is willing to jump the gun and doesn't want to wait. There are no guarantees anyone is in that kind of hurry. There is a difference between a team that wants Flynn and a team that is willing to commit draft picks and a contract.

Flynn does not have the track record of Cassell, Schaub or even Kolb.

[Zool]

Flynn does not have the track record of Cassell, Schaub or even Kolb.

Actually Flynn arguably has a better track record than Schaub. Shaub had 2 starts in 3 years and his stats were average at best.

[Bretsky]

I'll be happy if GB gets anything for Flynn but once again.........I think we're smoking the Packer Homer Juice by thinking we can pull this off. Here's to the juice !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A2elR7dsKw

[Brandon494]

Flynn is a hot commodity right now and I actually think we'll end up trading him to the Skins.

[Deputy Nutz]

Finely is locked up, so the issue is what to do with Scott Wells. If he feels disrespected by the Packers then he simply needs to move on, he brings a lot to the table but he isn't the end all be all at center. They have some options on the roster, but not nearly to the caliber of Wells. Thompson should look to actually find a low cost veteran and dig deeper in the draft for a long term replacement.

Flynn could be tagged, but you have to find a buyer for him that would be willing to give up more than a later 3rd round pick. Packers will get a comp pick for him at the end of the 3rd. I just don't know what his market worth is, I personally wouldn't give up more than a second for a career backup that has shown some ability in two career starts. Miami would be a good fit because of the scheme and it gives them an easy transistion.

When it comes to the draft the Packers really have to focus on defense. There are too many holes and older players that will be looking at retirement(Woodson, and Pickett). The Packers could spend their top pick on any part of the defense and really can't go wrong. This is the pass happy NFL and to combat the passing attack you a deep secondary and a pass rush, so really the Packers have to get better and usually that happens through the draft. One thing we don't know at this point is what kind of faith the Packers still have in under performing talent like Mike Neal, CJ Wilson, and AJ Hawk. Do they feel comfortable going into 2012 with Neal penciled in as a starter? Those question will be answered after the draft if the Packers go another direction in the top few rounds other than defensive line.

[Pugger]

Honestly that was too easy. At that price, GB had little to lose, even if Williams came back. He was a pass rushing DL. Teams are always looking for them. But in the end, there was little risk. At worse we had Corey Williams back and we were ovepaying him a bit. He was still a solid starter.

Only a few teams would have interest in Flynn and TT will have to convince them to cough up a pick when they know Flynn is going free anyways. We can't franchise Flynn w/o a deal in place. That was not the case with CW

This. The only way another GM will cough up a pick is if they don't want to get into a bidding war over Flynn on the open market.

[Pugger]

That's the big difference. If a deal fell through for Cory Wlliams, they had a very useful player at an OK cost for their salary cap. If they franchise Flynn and a deal falls through, they have a guy who will hopefully contribute nothing, because he won't play; and their salary cap situation is screwed.

They didn't have to trade Williams, they would absolutely have to trade Flynn. Very different bargaining positions. On the other side of a deal, almost any team can use another DL (we can argue if Williams was worth the contract or not), only a few teams are willing to invest a big contract in an unproven QB. The market is smaller for Flynn than it was for Williams.

We can't risk having our backup make more than our league MVP. There are other guys on our roster who need a raise - including said MVP.

[Pugger]

I personally think that part's irrelevant. Rodgers makes less than he should to begin with. They'll have to restructure regardless, sooner or later.

Unless another team wants to make a deal for Flynn we'll need that $14M of salary cap monies to restructure guys like Rodgers and CM3.