Official "WTF TT?" draft picks theory and speculation thread

[pbmax]

In the end Sherrod needed development and was not ready. The Tackles picked in front of him played much better....but that is how it's suppose to work. He was drafted around where he should have been. It's not like we could have traded down and picked up a stud OLB or anything

Well, that is part of the McCarthy way. Cross train them starting with their first year and set back their development.

Given seven active roster slots, there isn't much choice especially at tackle, but you would have preferred that Colledge, Lang and Sherrod got the Sitton treatment.

[woodbuck27]

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Post-combine position rankings for 2012 NFL Draft

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• By Mike Mayock NFL Network

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Quarterback

1. Andrew Luck, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, Baylor
3. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
4. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
5. Kirk Cousins, Michigan State

Running Back

1. Trent Richardson, Alabama
2. Doug Martin, Boise State
3. David Wilson, Virginia Tech
4. Lamar Miller, Miami (Fla.)
5. LaMichael James, Oregon

Rise: Martin
Fall: Miller, Wilson

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Wide Receiver

1. Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
3. Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
2. Kendall Wright, Baylor
4. Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech
5. Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina

Rise: Floyd
Fall: Wright

New entry: Hill
Out: LSU's Rueben Randle

Tight End

1. Orson Charles, Georgia ** NOTE: Just read a report that he was charges with a DUI. **
2. Coby Fleener, Stanford
3. Dwayne Allen, Clemson
4. Deangelo Peterson, LSU
5. Ladarius Green, Louisiana-Lafayette

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Offensive Tackle

1. Matt Kalil, USC
2. Riley Reiff, Iowa
3. Jonathan Martin, Stanford
4. Mike Adams, Ohio State
5. Cordy Glenn, Georgia

Guard

1. David DeCastro, Stanford
2. Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
3. Amini Silatolu, Midwestern State
4. Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State
5. Brandon Brooks, Miami (Ohio)

Center

1. Peter Konz, Wisconsin
2. Philip Blake, Baylor
3. Ben Jones, Georgia
4. David Molk, Michigan
5. Michael Brewster, Ohio State

Defensive End

1. Quinton Coples, North Carolina
2. Courtney Upshaw, Alabama
3. Nick Perry, USC
4. Vinny Curry, Marshall
5. Jared Crick, Nebraska

Rise: Coples, Perry, Curry, Crick
New entry: Crick, Upshaw (formerly listed as linebacker)

Out: Clemson's Andre Branch, Illinois' Whitney Mercilus (now listed as outside linebacker), South Carolina's Melvin Ingram (now listed as outside linebacker)

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Defensive Tackle

1. Dontari Poe, Memphis
2. Fletcher Cox, Mississippi State
3. Michael Brockers, LSU
4. Jerel Worthy, Michigan State
5. Kendall Reyes, Connecticut

Rise: Poe, Cox
Fall: Brockers, Worthy

Out: Penn State's Devon Still, Clemson's Brandon Thompson

Outside Linebacker

1. Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
2. Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
3. Andre Branch, Clemson
4. Ronnell Lewis, Oklahoma
5. Shea McClellin, Boise State

Out: Alabama's Courtney Upshaw (now listed at defensive end)

Inside Linebacker

1. Luke Kuechly, Boston College
2. Dont'a Hightower, Alabama
3. Mychal Kendricks, California
4. Keenan Robinson, Texas
5. Sean Spence, Miami

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Cornerback

1. Morris Claiborne, LSU
2. Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
3. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
4. Josh Robinson, Central Florida
5. Stephon Gilmore, South Carolina

New entry: Robinson, Gilore

Out: Montana's Trumaine Johnson, Iowa State's Leonard Johnson

Safety

1. Mark Barron, Alabama
2. Harrison Smith, Notre Dame
3. Brandon Taylor, LSU
4. DeQuan Menzie, Alabama
5. Phillip Thomas, Syracuse

New entry: Menzie, Taylor

Out: Boise State's George Iloka, Oklahoma State's Markelle Martin



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Orson Charles, top tight end NFL draft prospect, arrested for DUI

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 9, 2012, 7:38 AM EST
Getty Images Orson Charles, a Georgia tight end who is considered one of the top prospects at his position in the NFL draft, was arrested early this morning and charged with DUI.
Charles’s name is listed on the Athens-Clarke County Jail booking log, and the student newspaper at the University of Georgia confirms that the Orson Charles who was arrested is the same Orson Charles who was an All-SEC tight end at Georgia.
Charles left Georgia early to enter this year’s draft and is listed as the No. 1 tight end prospect by Mike Mayock.
For NFL teams, the question will now be this: If Charles can’t stay out of trouble during the couple of months before the draft, when he knows he’s being closely scrutinized by the NFL world, will he be able to stay out of trouble after he’s drafted?

[wist43]

Newhouse had some trouble but somehow muddled through a major contribution at a key spot for a 15-1 team. Bulaga and Lang are very solid and Sitton is near All-Pro. Its hardly a tire fire. The question is at Center where you need brains but not the rarest physical talent and Tackle depth and a challenger to Newhouse.

Sherrod's injury was indeed gruesome, but its a broken bone not a herniated back and he stands a good chance of returning from it. The comparison to Harrell is just laughable at this point, as the bigger question with Sherrod is timing of his rehab rather than "will he ever be healthy again?".

Besides the injuries, Harrell just didn't have any talent - and Sherrod sure looked like he didn't have any talent last year. Yes, Tackle is an extremely difficult position, and T's take time to develop, but Sherrod was nothing short of awful last year. Don't know what the Packers thought they saw on tape, but he stunk on every snap they were forced to have him on the field. I was actually surprised how bad he was... to say a guy needs development is one thing, but Sherrod didn't look like he had any talent to develop.

[woodbuck27]

Besides the injuries, Harrell just didn't have any talent - and Sherrod sure looked like he didn't have any talent last year. Yes, Tackle is an extremely difficult position, and T's take time to develop, but Sherrod was nothing short of awful last year. Don't know what the Packers thought they saw on tape, but he stunk on every snap they were forced to have him on the field. I was actually surprised how bad he was... to say a guy needs development is one thing, but Sherrod didn't look like he had any talent to develop.

Yup. LT is a major concern 'now'.

[Lurker64]

Besides the injuries, Harrell just didn't have any talent

There's a professional scout who posts over at another message board I frequent who claims that Justin Harrell was the closest DT prospect to Ndamukong Suh other than Suh himself. It's just that when you lose the back, you lose everything, and that's what happened to Harrell.

[wist43]

There's a professional scout who posts over at another message board I frequent who claims that Justin Harrell was the closest DT prospect to Ndamukong Suh other than Suh himself. It's just that when you lose the back, you lose everything, and that's what happened to Harrell.

Well, I can attest to that... back pain is a constant for me - costs me 3-4 strokes per round

[Joemailman]

If I listened to Wist and Woody long enough, they could probably convince me the Packers didn't win a Super Bowl a year ago. The failed experiment at LG set Sherrod back last year, but he played respectably at RT when injuries forced him into the lineup. He has plenty of talent, and hopefully the broken leg won't be a major setback.

[Smidgeon]

There's a professional scout who posts over at another message board I frequent who claims that Justin Harrell was the closest DT prospect to Ndamukong Suh other than Suh himself. It's just that when you lose the back, you lose everything, and that's what happened to Harrell.

I always rooted for the guy simply because so many people seemed to be rooting against him.

[pbmax]

Besides the injuries, Harrell just didn't have any talent - and Sherrod sure looked like he didn't have any talent last year. Yes, Tackle is an extremely difficult position, and T's take time to develop, but Sherrod was nothing short of awful last year. Don't know what the Packers thought they saw on tape, but he stunk on every snap they were forced to have him on the field. I was actually surprised how bad he was... to say a guy needs development is one thing, but Sherrod didn't look like he had any talent to develop.

I know what you are saying about his struggles, but I thought he clearly had the talent. He just needed reps at Tackle and Tackle only. He was doing well at RT the more he played. He just wasn't up to speed on the left side.

They do need a serious contender for depth and unless Thompson trusts someone on the PS, I would bet Cliffy is coming back now that the team doesn't need to Franchise tag cap space. If he does, that would be a sign the draft will be all defense all the time.

[woodbuck27]

If I listened to Wist and Woody long enough, they could probably convince me the Packers didn't win a Super Bowl a year ago. The failed experiment at LG set Sherrod back last year, but he played respectably at RT when injuries forced him into the lineup. He has plenty of talent, and hopefully the broken leg won't be a major setback.

A wise sage once informed me to never rely on or live in the past.

[woodbuck27]

I know what you are saying about his struggles, but I thought he clearly had the talent. He just needed reps at Tackle and Tackle only. He was doing well at RT the more he played. He just wasn't up to speed on the left side.

They do need a serious contender for depth and unless Thompson trusts someone on the PS, I would bet Cliffy is coming back now that the team doesn't need to Franchise tag cap space. If he does, that would be a sign the draft will be all defense all the time.

Interesting speculation pbmax. So your analysis is that if TT retains Chad Clifton then...he will exclusively draft defense this year. That's in direct contradiction to TT's MO.

Comment please.

[pbmax]

Interesting speculation pbmax. So your analysis is that if TT retains Chad Clifton then...he will exclusively draft defense this year. That's in direct contradiction to TT's MO.

Comment please.

It was not meant to be taken as literal* for all seven rounds. However, if there is space for Clifton (much more likely if Flynn leaves) then the need for a good, non-developmental Tackle candidate is lessened. Bulaga, Newhouse and Clifton (though he did have a back procedure) will enter the offseason program with* a healthy prognosis.

If Thompson doesn't need to take one early, then its more likely that he can concentrate on defense.


EDIT: good grief, I need a proofreader

[woodbuck27]

It was not meant to be taken as literally for all seven rounds. However, if there is space for Clifton (much more likely if Flynn leaves) then the need for a good, non-developmental Tackle candidate is lessened. Bulaga, Newhouse and Clifton (though he did have a back procedure) will enter the offseason program will healthy a prognosis.

If Thompson doesn't need to take one early, then its more likely that he can concentrate on defense.

OK

[TheRaven]

It was not meant to be taken as literally for all seven rounds. However, if there is space for Clifton (much more likely if Flynn leaves) then the need for a good, non-developmental Tackle candidate is lessened. Bulaga, Newhouse and Clifton (though he did have a back procedure) will enter the offseason program will healthy a prognosis.

If Thompson doesn't need to take one early, then its more likely that he can concentrate on defense.

I definitely agree and feel this is the most likely scenario to occur for our OT/draft needs. I also agree that Sherrod showed he has some talent, to say otherwise seems quite harsh. It will be up to him (and the Packers allowing him to settle into one position) to live up to that talent at this point.

[woodbuck27]

I definitely agree and feel this is the most likely scenario to occur for our OT/draft needs. I also agree that Sherrod showed he has some talent, to say otherwise seems quite harsh. It will be up to him (and the Packers allowing him to settle into one position) to live up to that talent at this point.

Yes. Sherrod needs some time to feel comfortable in the OL position where he fits best. We need to be patient with this draft pick.