Peyton Manning: Predictions

[easy cheesy]

I hope we get paid residuals on the reruns next year.

Right? ... and the year after that... and the year after that....

[woodbuck27]

If SF signs Manning and Alex Smith is the odd man out in the City by the Bay he will trump Flynn in Miami IMO. So far as we can tell only 2 teams at the moment are interested in Flynn and if Smith becomes available Flynn's options will be down to one team.

OK I understand your position RE: Smith Vs Flynn.

[woodbuck27]

So you reset the counter on Thompson's tenure back to zero after each year? No credit for past success? Even if the methods have remained largely consistent?

If you applied this same test to Wells career now moving forward, you would find your question about Thompson's methods and motivations answered.

NO pbmax. I have no justifiable criticism of Ted Thompson as last season went as a whole. We had a fantastic regular season especially given the fact we have the worst defense in the NFL.

It was unfortunate that the GIANTS came in and took us out again. I felt that was going to happen at some point in the playoffs as our defense exists. Our 'what defense ...NO defense'. That situation called out our offense too often and on the day it sputtered.... we fell.

i don't take issue with Scott Wells leaving our team for the contract that best suited his needs. Whether or not Scott Wells was wanted or low ball'd cannot IMO be called into question. Scott Wells was NOT a desirable piece in TT's puzzle for whatever his plan is.

That's obvious so Wells walked. Will there be repurcussions?

A Pro bowler walked and you can poo poo that mans status as such but Packer players will not be as likiely to do so, IMO.

That is the thing that will, again IMO, contribute to more real problems for Ted Thompson. Time will deem that the TRUTH or not.

[pbmax]

Whether or not Scott Wells was wanted or low ball'd cannot IMO be called into question. Scott Wells was NOT a desirable piece in TT's puzzle for whatever his plan is.

What if he was too expensive a piece?

[woodbuck27]

What if he was too expensive a piece?

If Ted Thompson undervalued Scott Wells as he obviously did. Scott Wells would attempt to get his value recognized in the NFL market or exercise his rights to get his best deal as a FA.

The question isn't related to Scott Wells value as an NFL Center.

He proved his value by making the pro Bowl last season pbmax. His value is backed up 'agin ' by the praises he recdeived by his HC Mike Mccarthy and fellow teammates. Mike McCarthy demonstrated surprize that Scott Wells wouldn't indeed be a Packer in 2012 and beyond.

We read the positive statements from Packer Head Coach MM RE: Scott Wells.

The Packer HC clearly valued Scott Wells as his TOP man on our OL. Not a man as he understood our ofensive scheme as one he could ever imagine losing except that he knew that Scott Wells deserved a valid offer commeserate with his status as a TOP Ranking NFL center.

Now as too your phrase too expensive a piece. All that was in TT's mind. it seems to me that Scott Wells felt whatever that was, was moot regarding his NFL future. How many people could ever make claim to this:

That they know Ted Thompson.

Too expensive a piece for TT.

Translated to us seeing Scott Wells get a deal done for his services that certainly he must be gratified with. With 'the St. Louis RAMS'.

That's too bad given his history as a Packer. His reward from TT for that progress was 'dick all' in the final result.

That SUCKS from a viewpoint overall ! Will Ted Thompson treat Donald Driver the same?

What do we have here 'a house of cards' situation steaming up?

OUR teams GM has to guard the ship as a whole.

Ted Thompson must be astute in the manner in which he does this. I can forse ' a domino effect' brewing here over not keeping Scott Wells. It's my observation and clearly I should be able to express my concern without being overly addressed for it.

[Bretsky]

Most are well aware of my past distaste for TT; I referred to him at TTT...aka...Ted Turtle Thompson for a couple years in referring to his urgency in FA and doing what it takes to build a championship team.

With that being said, he already brought one championship to us so he gets more flexiblity in terms of my criticism and I'm trying, often with little success, to see the bigger picture that TT would be looking at.

In the ned, in Green Bay's offense, there is no reason to pay a Scott Wells, or any center for that matter, 6 Million Dollars per year. Wells was a fine player for us and reports from multiple journalists that cover the Packers have noted Wells had some distaste for how the Green Bay coaching staff had treated him in the past when they tried giving the job to Spitz. Furthermore, Silverstein and others reported Wells was very unhappy that TT didn't try to lock him up during the season so he had a chip on his shoulder.

I don't think the coaching staff or TT wronged Scott Wells. If reports were accurate and he had any type of chip on his shoulder.........I say screw Scott Wells.

I'd be very comfortable with a guy like Jeff Saturday at far less the price. He's not quite as good as Wells but he's a leader and more than capable of solid run and pass blocking.

I'll throw plenty of darts at TT in the next year; but one won't be for Scott Wells leaving to sign a deal that was not worth matching (even though he probably didn't give us the chance) by Green Bay.

[pbmax]

If Ted Thompson undervalued Scott Wells as he obviously did. Scott Wells would attempt to get his value recognized in the NFL market or exercise his rights to get his best deal as a FA.

The question isn't related to Scott Wells value as an NFL Center.

He proved his value by making the pro Bowl last season pbmax. His value is backed up 'agin ' by the praises he recdeived by his HC Mike Mccarthy and fellow teammates. Mike McCarthy demonstrated surprize that Scott Wells wouldn't indeed be a Packer in 2012 and beyond.

We read the positive statements from Packer Head Coach MM RE: Scott Wells.

The Packer HC clearly valued Scott Wells as his TOP man on our OL. Not a man as he understood our ofensive scheme as one he could ever imagine losing except that he knew that Scott Wells deserved a valid offer commeserate with his status as a TOP Ranking NFL center.

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The question is EXACTLY predicated on Scott Wells as an NFL center. His value in any other arena is a tertiary concern at best.

McCarthy has praised Wells but Wells has not proved his value next year (or any of the next four) by making the Pro Bowl in 2011. The Pro Bowl is a mixed measure of success. Too many players from winning teams go and the recognition is often years late.

McCarthy's quote from the time of the combine was

"He's a heck of a football player," Packer coach Mike McCarthy said recently. "I make no bones about it. I told Scott I hope we're working together again next year. He's going into free agency, and we'll see what happens."

And nothing McCarthy says there means Wells is a franchise player that must be retained at any cost. M3 said Wells was good and that he preferred him to come back.

But not at any price. Thompson set the value and Wells, to his credit, exceeded it. Time will tell whether it was worth it to the Rams. Thompson has already proven his approach is worth it to the Packers.

[Scott Campbell]

Most are well aware of my past distaste for TT; I referred to him at TTT...aka...Ted Turtle Thompson for a couple years in referring to his urgency in FA and doing what it takes to build a championship team.

With that being said, he already brought one championship to us so he gets more flexiblity in terms of my criticism and I'm trying, often with little success, to see the bigger picture that TT would be looking at.

In the ned, in Green Bay's offense, there is no reason to pay a Scott Wells, or any center for that matter, 6 Million Dollars per year. Wells was a fine player for us and reports from multiple journalists that cover the Packers have noted Wells had some distaste for how the Green Bay coaching staff had treated him in the past when they tried giving the job to Spitz. Furthermore, Silverstein and others reported Wells was very unhappy that TT didn't try to lock him up during the season so he had a chip on his shoulder.

I don't think the coaching staff or TT wronged Scott Wells. If reports were accurate and he had any type of chip on his shoulder.........I say screw Scott Wells.

I'd be very comfortable with a guy like Jeff Saturday at far less the price. He's not quite as good as Wells but he's a leader and more than capable of solid run and pass blocking.

I'll throw plenty of darts at TT in the next year; but one won't be for Scott Wells leaving to sign a deal that was not worth matching (even though he probably didn't give us the chance) by Green Bay.

I think your view of Thompson is much more balanced these days. I haven't seen anything that I'd consider unfair in a long time.

I think your views on free agency have changed too.

[Kiwon]

OUR teams GM has to guard the ship as a whole.

Ted Thompson must be astute in the manner in which he does this. I can forse ' a domino effect' brewing here over not keeping Scott Wells. It's my observation and clearly I should be able to express my concern without being overly addressed for it.

woodbuck, express whatever you want to, but, dude, how about proofing your posts, you know, spellcheck, commas, apostrophes, those kinds of things? I admire your spirit but it's a headache to read your posts sometimes.

Okay, that's my unassailable observation. Now carry on with your unfair critique of Ted Thompson.

[woodbuck27]

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Posted by Michael David Smith on March 18, 2012, 4:25 PM EDT

[woodbuck27]

I am now realizing that the thread dedicated to the Peyton Manning watch got shifted to discussion of the loss of Scott Wells.

I'm sorry this happened. MJZiggy's posted me RE: 'the OL center queston'. I should NOT have responded to MJZiggy's post in this thread. It snowballed from there. A thread on Peyton Manning took a detour >>>>>> to Scott Wells.

Too bad that happened.

This thread should be dedicated to information on the Peyton Manning watch.

[woodbuck27]

woodbuck, express whatever you want to, but, dude, how about proofing your posts, you know, spellcheck, commas, apostrophes, those kinds of things? I admire your spirit but it's a headache to read your posts sometimes.

Okay, that's my unassailable observation. Now carry on with your unfair critique of Ted Thompson.

Thanks for the constructive criticism. It got a bit wide here yesterday and I messed up. I didn't take the proper time to edit my posts. I will make an effort to concentrate on better writing.

Unfortunately some here will lash out at me in any case. So be it. (-: Whoever said 'life is easy'. LOL

My critique of Ted Thmpson ... unfair? It's my critique. I respect your opinion and RE: Did TT error. I do NOT know. Time will tell me the answer.

[woodbuck27]

This is a thread dedicated to 'the Peyton Manning WATCH. I will not respond to anyone RE: Anything other than Peyton Manning business on this thread.

[Cleft Crusty]

The question isn't related to Scott Wells value as an NFL Center.

That is the only relevant issue. What is Scott Well's value - and is it too high for the Packers, given their entire team situation. Take your own words as a starting point, and you will find the answers to your myriad contradictory positions:

OUR teams GM has to guard the ship as a whole.

[Cleft Crusty]

This is a thread dedicated to 'the Peyton Manning WATCH. I will not respond to anyone RE: Anything other than Peyton Manning business on this thread.

All evidence to the contrary