T.J. Duckett

[No Mo Moss]

Duckett is a vast improvement over Davenport, even an improvement over Gado. Duckett's yards may have dropped off last year, but he has been a touchdown machine (11 in 2003, 8 in 2004, 8 in 2005). Duckett would compliment either Green or Gado nicely. He's a RB/FB hybrid, who would be hard to bring down in inclimate weather. Plus, the guy is from Michigan State. He fits better than fair-weather Davenport.

Come on Creepy, we've got THREE injury-prone RBs. Don't tell me you'd turn down bringing in one with experience and talent.

tyler

Completely agree. Duckett, Green and Gado is a major upgrade.

[retailguy]

Umm....I think if you read this whole thread, you'd realize that he's more than a "name we all recognize" retail. I think those in support of the concept threw plenty enough stats around to justify a "look". Don't sell the rest of us short for having an opinion that he might be a decent pickup, just because we recognize his name. Some of us pay attention to more than just the Pack (I had Duckett on my fantasy football team for two years--2003 and 2004--and he scored me a fair amount of points because of his ability to find the endzone).

I recognized Ahman Green when he was in the doghouse in Seattle and was excited about him being traded to the Pack, even though he was known as an underachiever and a fumbler.

tyler

Jack, I did read the whole thread, TWICE. I'm not insulting ANYONE's vast football knowledge, however, I take issue with people who trot out "stats" and use that to justify an acquisition. It just doesn't work. Even in TO's case it doesn't work. Look at the circus down there. You know it, I know it, Parcells knows it, and Jerry Jones knows it, the shit will hit the fan there at some point. TO's "stats" won't be enough. Just like Philadelphia...

There is no stat for "underachiever". There is no stat for "in trouble with the law". There is no stat for "pain in the ass in the locker room". There is no stat for "hard to motivate".

I've got news for you - EVERY single draft pick and many undrafted free agents can play football WELL. Or they wouldn't be there. They simply would not get an opportunity to get into a football training camp if they weren't capable. Ask ND72. He understands that the difference in "talent" between round 2 and round 7 is NOT huge. The 7th rounder was at the very least a solid football player somewhere and may have even been a "star" at a smaller school.

The real issue is what they DO once they get into the football camp. If everytime, the packers got into scoring position, they trotted out Najeh Davenport, he'd have a boatload of touchdowns too. If you watch Atlanta football, that is what they do. They rotate Duckett and Warrick Dunn. How many touchdowns does Dunn have? Compare that to Ahman Green. It's a different system and a different philosophy. I'm sorry, it just doesn't make TJ Duckett worth a shit.

Jack, I carried Duckett as a backup on my teams as well, for the very same reasons, but he is still a hard to motivate malcontent. Period. He's got stats, that's true, but so does Cleditus Hunt. That's why I used him for a comparison. Cleditus is a turd who can play football. TJ Duckett is a turd who can play football.

That's my point. Very sorry you took it as an attack on you or others. It wasn't meant that way. However, if you look back through the archives, you'll see that EVERY TIME someone with a recognizable name gets released, someone thinks we should add him.... Whether it is the same person everytime or not, a recognizable name generates this type of speculation. It gets a bit old after a while. Sometimes it's fun, sometimes, it is just stupid. Today, I took it as stupid. I fully recognize others may not have done that.

I, personally, am glad that TT ignores that kind of crap. I'm so grateful, even if the Pack go 0-16, that TT avoided TO, among others. We don't need more "names" we need to see if the guys we've got can play. I'm optimistic about this season, not record wise, but football wise. I think we'll enjoy watching the team battle, and lose their fair share. We'll watch guys grow, and we'll watch guys fail. Isn't it more fun to speculate who is going to fail, or who is not? We don't need another veteran to take time from someone with potential....

Peace... (As Michael would say)... Later

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I think its a little unfair to compare Duckett to the likes of TO. TO is a complete headcase who couldn't even finish the season on his team last year. Duckett has never done anything close to TO. Duckett has played the last five years relatively health and pretty productive. Very different personalities.

[retailguy]

I think its a little unfair to compare Duckett to the likes of TO. TO is a complete headcase who couldn't even finish the season on his team last year. Duckett has never done anything close to TO. Duckett has played the last five years relatively health and pretty productive. Very different personalities.

What is the difference? Truly. The guy can't be motivated, at least to this point. Atlanta is giving up on him, trying to move him because they don't want him anymore.

TO has all the "stats" you want, and then some. Very few teams want him either. Why? - PERSONALITY. The unmeasurable "stat".

My point was there are MANY factors other than stats. Which ones aren't important. The fact they exist IS important. Very important.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Point well taken, but I just don't think Duckett is that bada character.......

[retailguy]

Point well taken, but I just don't think Duckett is that bada character.......

Wasn't trying to claim he was an awful character, but that he was an underachiever. Which considering they are paying him hundreds of thousands of dollars for effort and he's giving mediocre effort at best, that could call his character into question, couldn't it?

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

retailguy-Wasn't trying to claim he was an awful character

Then

retailguy-paying him hundreds of thousands of dollars for effort and he's giving mediocre effort at best, that could call his character into question, couldn't it?

So you are calling him out on his character which is exactly what I suspected, based on the fact that hes an underachiever. And all I said was I don't think he has that bad a charatcer ( or as you like, I don't think he is an underachiever considering the fact hes not even the featured back.

[retailguy]

retailguy-Wasn't trying to claim he was an awful character

Then

retailguy-paying him hundreds of thousands of dollars for effort and he's giving mediocre effort at best, that could call his character into question, couldn't it?

So you are calling him out on his character which is exactly what I suspected, based on the fact that hes an underachiever. And all I said was I don't think he has that bad a charatcer ( or as you like, I don't think he is an underachiever considering the fact hes not even the featured back.

Sigh.... So it's all or nothing, huh? I spend three paragraphs talking about being an underachiever and hard to motivate. Then I speculate that poor effort leads to questions about character, now I'm inconsistent. Whatever, dude. You call it how you like. The guy is bad news, for WHATEVER reason you'd like to use. I'm just grateful he's not in the Green Bay locker room. Let him be the Jets problem. They've got some pretty big ones.

Take care....

[BooHoo]

I wouldn't be willing to trade a third round pick for Duckett. We don't need a backup goal-line RB that badly. Third is way to high based on team needs. I would give a 7th rounder for him. I am more concerned with the O-Line than RB.

[retailguy]

And all I said was I don't think he has that bad a charatcer ( or as you like, I don't think he is an underachiever considering the fact hes not even the featured back.

Went back and re-read your post and missed this. The reason he isn't the featured back is because he's an underachiever. As I recall he was a 1st round draft pick. You don't waste those on a "goal-line" back. If he was living up to his draft status, he'd BE the feature back.

You just made my point.... Thanks.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

LoL, my point was him not being the featured back does not only make him a underachiver. Was Lamont Jordan an underachiever because he was behind curtis martin? No its just that they already have a really good back. Same thing in ALtanta, you can't call Duckett an underachiever because he doesn't start in front of a pro bowl back. Maybe he just needs a different Atmosphere.

[]{ilr]3]

In an attempt to get this thread going again, what are you guys thinking now?

Of course experienced O-line help would be the key, but since no one of this caliber is available wouldnt it make sence to make a play for Duckett who could add experience in the position for this blocking scheme?

I know you guys have already covered some of these basis. I am just real interested watching this and wondering. Seems to be a better fit for us than he does for the Jet. Except the Jets are desperate for a RB.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I really think Duckett could help our team, but it seems like a lot of people really don't care for him. He has played in the ZBS for (I think) about 4 years and his career average is at least 4YPC. A lot of people say he's not that good and he only averaged 3.1YPC last year, but that was the only year it was that low.

Bottom line with Green getting old, and with davenport sucking of late, I think he could help our team for at least a couple of years.

[HarveyWallbangers]

My point: Atlanta is looking to get rid of him because he doesn't fit their scheme. Unfortunately, their scheme is the same zone blocking run scheme that we run.

[Guiness]

Good research HW. Some good points against T.J.

Is he that much of an underachiever? I didn't know he had that bad a reputation.

I think he'd be a good acquisition - not that he fits our system well as a feature back, but as a serviceable backup. I'd consider him an upgrade over Davenport. He has a better running style, and is as hard, or harder to bring down. OTOH, you could argue that we don't need Davenport either, and that he may not make the team - then I'll concede that T.J. would not help us either.