Report: Wells Has Picked New Team

[woodbuck27]

...and how has that running game gone the last few years? Perhaps that is the area that can improve???
The record setting offense doesn't mean everyone on offense is the best possible at their position.

Hi Patler: With all respect I submit that it's been a rather long day .. tis St. Paddy's and so I bid you a fond goodnight and a promise I'll return to tis discussion at a better time for meself... thanks... and have a pleasant night Sir.

[Joemailman]

I'm honestly wondering if Lang could snap, he seems like he would be a pretty good center if he can (his punch is fantastic), and LG is an easier position to fill in the draft than C.

I've wondered the same thing. Actually, last year when EDS was starting at LG because Lang had to be moved temporarily to RT, Lang was taking some snaps at practice at C. This move would not surprise me at all if it happened.

[smuggler]

I'd prefer to keep Lang at guard, because he played pretty well there. But, we gotta do what we gotta do.

[Patler]

Hi Patler: With all respect I submit that it's been a rather long day .. tis St. Paddy's and so I bid you a fond goodnight and a promise I'll return to tis discussion at a better time for meself... thanks... and have a pleasant night Sir.

I won't return to it. I'm done talking about Wells with this reply. I said all season that I hoped they could bring him back, because they didn't have an obvious replacement. But, they are in a situation now of not having the cap freedom to keep anybody and everybody they want to. Some tough decisions have to be made.

Wells was a good player for GB, but he wasn't unique or special. I would like to have seen him back at a reasonable price for a few more seasons. I didn't work out. Not a big deal. I don't really care.

[Patler]

Where the next starting center comes from has a lot of aspects to it:

- Will they sign a proven veteran?
- Will they draft a plausible starter?
- Is Sampson Genus an option or not? Reports are all over the place.
- Is EDS more capable as a center or guard?
- Can Lang play the position or not?
- Will Sherrod be ready physically at the start of the season, or at all in 2012?
- If ready, can Sherrod start at guard or tackle?
- Are there two capable starting tackles, allowing Bulaga to play LG with Lang at center?

From now to opening week will be very interesting. The line might change only a little, with just a player stepping in for Wells (EDS, Genus, FA, draftee). Or, the line might change a lot, with different starters at LG, center and RT.

I enjoy following the off season moves and changes.

[Scott Campbell]

Holy smokes ! The second leading member here of the Ted Thompson is GOD fan club.

He really, really hates Ted.


I sense another classic meltdown coming on.

[Scott Campbell]

Does that call into question Ted Thompson's compassion or caring nature?

So now Ted needs to be more compassionate and caring?????


I always loved Woody's ability to see into Ted's soul.

[Pugger]

This happens every offseason. We lose a couple of players to FA and some fans get pissed because Ted stays on the sidelines.

[MJZiggy]

OK MJZiggy you asked for it so here it comes....



MJ I read yesterday that you didn't read Bob McGinn articles, that you were criticle of that writer. Yet you use him as a source to back up some argument on Scott Wells decision to test the FA market and contract with the St. Louis Rams. Your position is that Scott Wells had a chip on his shoulder...

RE: Scott Wells

"from what I hear Wells had a chip on his shoulder with the team" MJZiggy

"I think he may have wanted to go and I'm not sure TT had any say in the matter " MJZiggy

Doesn't Ted Thompson talk to the Packer negotiator for player contracts Russ Ball and give direction in terms of need to keep a certain packer player? I believe Scott Wells upcoming FA status was discussed between these two men and Ted Thompson certainly had a strong part in Scott Wells decision to stay in Green Bay or sell his Pro bowl status and recognized leadership on our OL elsewhere.

You argue that Scott Wells had a chip on his shoulder.

I read that he if anything given his size, he overachieved. He never complained about his contract as he didn't ask for a renegotiation. He became more profficient as our center from 3 games into the 2009 season as our starting center and improving at his position in 2010. Last season as a valued leader on our team in terms of talent and attitude; as expressed by a fellow player on our OL (TJ Lang). Scott Wells was awarded recognition as a top NFL center garnering a PRO BOWL selection.

If Scott Wells had a chip on his shoulder? He surely demonstrated that that chip translated into solid support for our team. How many of us stand up to 'the Nay Sayers' and excell? Scott Wells certainly did so as a Green Bay Packer.

What was his reward for all that from our GM? All the good Scott Wellls meant to the success of our offense?

Zippo in terms of his value to himself.

It may be declared by many Packer fans that 'in fact'. Given his market value that Ted Thompson and Packer negotiater Russ Ball 'low balled' Scott Wells. It's that or Ted Thompson undervalued Scott Wells in his estimation of Wells market Value. If Ted Thompson is on top of it all that's inconcievable that he could make such a low offer to Wells and hope to keep him.

Does that call into question Ted Thompson's compassion or caring nature? Would a negative appraisal there as the GREEN BAY PACKER GM be acceptable to you MJ?

"if his deal was comparable to what the Packers were offering, it pretty much explains why he left, doesn't it?" MJZiggy

In your estimation the Packer deal (what deal?) was comparable to what he contracted in St. Loius??

Please MJZiggy. Go back and do your homework. By my estimation the contract he signed for 4 years was as much as $6 Million$ higher than Ted Thompson's offer. Again that isn't chump change and may be the last contract he'll get in the NFL.

Scott Wells has a wife and family. He has a solid reputation as a Green Bay Packer of distinction and value as a leader and mentor. Scott Wells was graded as our best OL. Scott Wells is a Pro Bowler.

Frankly MJZiggy your argument is a wash. Your source isn't even a writer you respect. Do I need to prove that?

Do you want to be judged as a hypocrite? I hope not. I believe that your simply a tad to defensive of our esteemed Packer GM, Ted Thompson. Try to get real MJ. (-:

Just for clarification, and I can't think of any other reason, I said I don't FOLLOW McGinn. As on Twitter. I get the sense that neither do you, Wood. That doesn't mean that McGinn is not a source. I would like to see the proof you offer on the point though. Should be interesting. Secondly, you fail in your "destruction of my argument" to note that the information was also presented by PFT. A source that I like. Now, about those sources you were going to give me to show the logic false? The money isn't a valid argument. He was already gone before there was an offer on the table, was he not? You say the contract was AS MUCH AS $6 million more. If he wanted to be in GB as a Green Bay Packer "of distinction," would he not have gone back to Thompson and offered to let him match that deal? You say Wells "overperformed" for his size. Maybe now we get someone who doesn't have to overperform in order to play well. You really do hate Ted Thompson. He took your team to a Super Bowl and and a nearly undefeated season mostly because of team depth, yet you still can't admit that he might just have a clue about what he's doing. Like Patler, I am done talking about Wells. He is a Ram now.

[Rutnstrut]

MJ, how about the other side of the argument? Why should Wells have had to go back to TT? By the time the Rams made the offer, TT had already showed he didn't give two shits about Wells returning. Everyone always talks about players having ego problems, TT has an enormous ego, and sometimes it hurts the team.

[woodbuck27]

I won't return to it. I'm done talking about Wells with this reply. I said all season that I hoped they could bring him back, because they didn't have an obvious replacement. But, they are in a situation now of not having the cap freedom to keep anybody and everybody they want to. Some tough decisions have to be made.

Wells was a good player for GB, but he wasn't unique or special. I would like to have seen him back at a reasonable price for a few more seasons. I didn't work out. Not a big deal. I don't really care.

You and I are almost on the same page.

We saw a player that developed in a Packer jersey through certain ups and downs overcome adversity to become a Pro Bowl status player. He was a come to work, do not complain unnecessarily, get down to brass tacks and contribute your best to the team, lunch pail sort of guy. He was a standard bred style Green bay packer a 7th round draft pick of our own GM's doing and IMO undoing.

He could certainly have been retained and his attitude and status as a contributor NOY taken into question. We lost a good man. For any number of reasons and PC analysis that is the case in it's final result. Scott Wells was allowed to slip away while money is being used to keep far lesser players. CAP money was allocated to a TE that manu here disagreed with as anyome that money should be invested in. You cannot teach a man how to catch a football easily or at all.

I persoanlly as a fan hate that we lost Scott Wells. A a fan I expect Ted thompson to pull the strings to compensate my team properly for the loss of Scott Wells. As other members of the Packer roster wil view this result of losing Scott Wells in terms of the whole picture I'm positive that result will overall undermine OUR teams GM.

I'm writing here in regards to compensation for results.

Some Packer fan (here at Packerrats 'even') wants to make it about some possible time that Scott Wells got pissed over his handling by the Packer organization. Lost his temper or got pissed off !!!

Ohh Ohh ! What a sin against all things Green Bay Packer. Frick !!!

That really amazes me that anyone could ever condemn a man on that basis. Especially given the BIG picture and Scott Wells as a Packer and his certain positive role and contribution in our teams colors. Jheeessshh !! I will not swear !!!! I will not curse and how very much I want to. I want my Irish to land freely on the sillyhead of that Packer fan. I will not do that.

Patler. I respect your position not to debate this loss to our team. That's a wise decision for 'you and I'. I appreciate that.

Have a wonderful day...evening Patler.

[woodbuck27]

MJ, how about the other side of the argument? Why should Wells have had to go back to TT? By the time the Rams made the offer, TT had already showed he didn't give two shits about Wells returning. Everyone always talks about players having ego problems, TT has an enormous ego, and sometimes it hurts the team.

Clap ! Clap !! Clap !!! Clap !!!! ClaP !!!!!

AWESOME POST Rutnstut. A courageous post !

That sir is my nomination as the most TRUTHFUL and VALUABLE to all Packer fans that are paying real attention to our team in terms of being honest with themselves. A post that say's 'come on Packer fans...get the blinders off please'.

The most valuable post here at Packerrats since we were defeaed 'again' at Lambeau Field by the NY GIANTS. Who went on to win the Super Bowl 'again'.

[woodbuck27]

Just for clarification, and I can't think of any other reason, I said I don't FOLLOW McGinn. As on Twitter. I get the sense that neither do you, Wood. That doesn't mean that McGinn is not a source. I would like to see the proof you offer on the point though. Should be interesting. Secondly, you fail in your "destruction of my argument" to note that the information was also presented by PFT. A source that I like. Now, about those sources you were going to give me to show the logic false? The money isn't a valid argument. He was already gone before there was an offer on the table, was he not? You say the contract was AS MUCH AS $6 million more. If he wanted to be in GB as a Green Bay Packer "of distinction," would he not have gone back to Thompson and offered to let him match that deal? You say Wells "overperformed" for his size. Maybe now we get someone who doesn't have to overperform in order to play well. You really do hate Ted Thompson. He took your team to a Super Bowl and and a nearly undefeated season mostly because of team depth, yet you still can't admit that he might just have a clue about what he's doing. Like Patler, I am done talking about Wells. He is a Ram now.

MJZiggy I am amazed that you would attempt to rebut me. I hope you prepared for the result of this little 'tete a tete' that we will or won't engage?

Are you ready to be exposed? I'm not sure I want to do that on Packerrats MJ? I'm too much of a gentleman.

Maybe you might be wise to go as Patler and I have. Drop the BS as you cannot in this instance defend Ted Thompson and hope to win your argument.

Do you need me to prove that?

I hope your wise to say 'NO'.

Let it go MJ. Your in 'too tough' on this one. I will concentrate on Scott Wells MJ !

NOT who your prejudiced against or not in terms of writing style and or content that agrees with you or not. I don't give a damn about your prejudices MJZiggy. I want nothing to do with your prejudices.

This is simple advice I offer you MJZiggy. This is genuine concern.

I'll reiterate that you call into question your integrity as a person to one day criticize a certain writer and the very next act as if all that writer supplys you (in terms as a source to make your argument) in his article is gospel.

Clearly to do so brands you negatively and therefore holds no water. It brands you negatively in certain negative ways. Is it worth it to you to risk exposure?

We will be concentrating on the relationship between Scott Wells and Ted Thompson that led to Scott Wells leaving the Green Bay Packers and NOT publishing to this forum your prejudices and hard core BS in terms of the Packer GM.

MJ Please let this go ! Don't force any further debate between you and i on TT and Scott Wells. That's beyond foolish. Let's go onto something more productive. More in favour of harmony and good will as Packer fans.

PLEASE MJ.

[pbmax]

What was his reward for all that from our GM? All the good Scott Wellls meant to the success of our offense?

How can any Sports entity stay in business if they reward folks with a four year contract for what they previously did?

That is a recipe for not only overpayment, but also diminishing returns.

Scott Wells deserved a shot at taking the best contract he could negotiate. The Packers deserved to have the best performance per dollar in the league.

[pbmax]

I'm honestly wondering if Lang could snap, he seems like he would be a pretty good center if he can (his punch is fantastic), and LG is an easier position to fill in the draft than C.

Sitton has launched a Twitter campaign to give the job to Lang. Probably so he doesn't have to do it. Lang would be a monster at that position, he's bigger than Sitton.